27th ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING

Held on 7th September 2019 at Waipuna Conference Center, Auckland.

ADDRESS BY THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER:  [DOUBLING AS MINUTES OF MEETING]
Laurence E (Larry) Ogden – Dip Pool Tech (Hon) Certified Builders License #108/2021
CEO and Honorary Life Member

Executive Members:
Kerry Richmond   Membership Executive
Lawrie Tanner   Disputes Executive
Paul Fuller   Bay of Plenty Executive (Apologies for non-attendance)

Welcome to Association Members and Guest Speaker Lindsay McGrath (SPASA Australia)

1. Once again, the year has flown by quickly – as they all seem to do.
   
   We are now approaching our 28th year as the only representative for the New Zealand swimming pool industry!
   
   We were contacted again by SPASA Australia CEO Lindsay McGrath who is seeking to expand the benefits of membership to include the New Zealand pool industry,
   
   Lindsay requested time to speak at this AGM to clarify the advantages by establishing the Pool And Spa Association New Zealand to continue and effectively expand on the work our NZPIA Inc has accomplished over the past 27 years.
   

Along with the rest of the country, the swimming pool industry suffers regular financial ups and downs.

When the American economy falters, as it is doing currently, it has a world effect.
Having just spent some time there recently, I am certain that these hiccups are to a large degree caused by their Media: TV News programs constantly talking of "Impending Recession" becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy – which may or may not impact on our industry.

Here in New Zealand, the pool industry has been booming for the past few years, but things have got a little quiet as the US financial situation develops and our own home-grown situation (and I am not blaming Jacinda completely) has slowed due to the old "Elephant in the room" – 'Uncertainty".

Nevertheless, we have had them before and we will have them again, but somehow, people still seem to want a home swimming pool in summer!

2. The Executive: Unfortunately we have lost a few Executive Members this year:

Honorary Life Member (2014) and Executive Assistant, Geoff Bonham passed away in January – a great loss to both the swimming pool Industry and our Association, as Geoff was very active promoting our Association, and in on-going negotiations with Territorial Authorities and the Government over pool safety and fencing issues

Finance Executive Darryl Blennerhassett resigned to spend more free time with family. Darryl was unable to make it here here tonight so I will pass on the meetings appreciation of his services to the Association    

Honorary Life Member and Executive, Carlos Morgan sold his business 'Morgan Pools (C&S) Limited' and semi-retired, remaining as a consultant to the incoming buyers for a period of time.

Executive Member, Justin Miharere resigned, to join his brother Peter in running the newly established company Morgan Pools Limited which has assumed the core business of Carlos & Sandra Morgan

3. New Executive Members:

John Honore' - Executive President (2002 – 2005) Life Member (2015) has graciously accepted my invitation to re-join the Executive.

I have also invited Ms. Rainbow Morris to join us, which will bring the Association Executive back up to six, leaving space for one more as required. 

4. The Constitution: At the present time, the Constitution is under annual review, and if you want to make suggestions or comments, the most current version is available to Members on the Guild web page
   

http://www.poolguild.org.nz/constitution2020.html

Please take time to read the updated document, and make comments or possible additions directly to us at  executive@poolguild.org.nz If no comments are received by end of day Monday 16 September, I will send it into the Companies Office (Societies and Trusts) .

As required by the New Zealand Government, all of this was done in accordance with our Constitutional obligations as specified in the Incorporated Societies Act 1908.

5. Awareness of the Association:
   RAISING AWARENESS OF THE ASSOCIATION amongst the PUBLIC and non-member POOL INDUSTRY PEOPLE

The Executive and I have been in discussions with Publicity and Promotions people searching for ways to make us more visible to (a) the General Public and (b) the non-Member swimming pool industry in general, (who want to know "What's in it for me" before they consider joining).

The current proposals being followed-up are:

• Updates to our Association Web Site to broaden the target market by targeted SEO
• Encourage ALL Builder Member's Diploma Awards and thus earning the BUILDER'S GOLD CARD, then pushing GOLD CARD membership and the "Go To" pool builder.
• Increase awareness of us by advertising in Social Media, Face Book, Instagram, and Twitter,
• Running Radio adverts on selected Stations to publicise our existence and promote the benefits of buying a swimming pool from a Certified Pool Industry GOLD CARD Member.

 

These are designed to increase awareness to potential clients of the benefits of dealing with the Pool Association and its Builder Members – and encouraging more builders of to join when they see these advantages.

It is quite important that the Builder Members progress to the GOLD CARD level as soon as possible, and introduce our Builder's Licensing Scheme, We will be doing whatever it takes to help Builder Members achieve this level, as it is part of the fundamental plan for our future for the Association and to introduce Builder's Licensing .

6. Suggestions from the floor included:

• Weekend DIPLOMA COURSE session(s) for Builder Members. A one (or two) day compulsory session that goes through the Diploma Course, including assessments, and every Member has the opportunity to get this out of the way for once and for all.
  
  All Builder Members who attain a Passing Score will automatically be assessed for general knowledge of pool construction in their chosen field, suitability of a GOLD CARD and NZPIA Inc Certified Builder's License issued to them.
  
  
• Compulsory use by Builder Members of of the NZPIA Inc Contract Forms?  
  These have been available to Builder Members since 2011.
  Some are still using them. It probably needs updating.  
  
  Download an example of the Contract: http://www.poolguild.org.nz/downloads/John%20Honore.pdf
  Hopefully Johnny H won't mind me using his old company as an example.
  Have a read and see if it is still relevant?
  
  
• The POOL BONDING SCHEME was discussed.
  This scheme was in use in the 1980's and was very successful for a number of years.
  There are thoughts that it could be resurrected.

Basically. The Pool Builder and Pool Clients both paid a 1.5% fee, so using the same figures a $40,000 pool fee would generate $600 from each individual, or $1,200 in revenue for the Association.

If our 30 Builder Members averaged 10 pools each, this would generate $36,000 in revenues.

I don't have much more information on the scheme (although I was the main author and introduced it in the mid 1980's after studying similar scheme's in Australia)

I will do more research.

The benefit to clients was mainly assurance that their pool would be completely finished if anything happened to the Builder – which did, quite often in those days.
There were many 'cowboys' roaming around. Comments would be appreciated.

8. As we lose Exec members due to retirement or the sheer exhaustion of attending numerous Exec Meetings, we were running short of people to assist in covering all the bases.

One change is the role of Executive Finance Officer has been scrapped in favour of a professional Service doing our subscriptions fees etc. and I am investigating several alternatives, so this is a work in progress.
This will dramatically cut the requirements of a treasurer, and the resignation of Darryl prompted me to investigate our options - which will include professional Secretarial Services.

The Bank Account will forthwith be the role of the 'CEO + THREE' i.e. the CEO plus one of the tHREE other individual Executive Members who will access funds for meeting payments for the proposed professional people we will be using.

We have significant funds on Terms Deposit which WILL be handled professionally.

We have developed a Budget for the 2020 year (Rev III on the web site BUDGET.html), and you may have already noticed the slight rise in annual fees, which will help fund our future goals

WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME?    - We should develop sound reasons to answer this question! Give us some suggestions!

• The 2023-24 Swimming Pool Photographic Competition

The events of the past year have caused delays in the Swimming Pool Photographic Competition.
I am happy to resurrect this for the 2020 year, and invite suggestions and comments on how it should proceed. 

Email me on executive@poolguild.org.nz with your thoughts

At this stage, I envisage a close off date of 30 March 2020 and publication of the winners prior to the 2020 AGM

9. There were significant events and issues that we have dealt with – or are currently dealing with:

Foremost of these was the approach by Lindsay McGrath of SPASA Australia, the company managing the Swimming Pool and Spa Association version in New South Wales and other States, to renew the approach and elaborate on the initial proposition in case their message was not completely understood.

The initial approach into New Zealand by SPASA Alliance earlier this year was the introduction of Training Courses in the swimming pool industry, followed by a proposal that our Association and the NZ Landscaping groups be incorporated into a proposed NZ version of SPASA which would replace and enhance what the NZPIA Inc currently offers the local pool industry, but I understand the Landscaping idea has now been dropped by Lindsay.

The PASA Training Course for Spa Installation Maintenance PASA have been running in New Zealand so far has been successful, with nearly 100 attendees.

At a meeting with the Executive in Auckland last week, the earlier takeover proposal by Lindsay was clarified to the Executive Committee, including a request to have a 15 minute talk at the September 7th meeting, plus a further ten minutes allotted for question from the floor.

The result of that request was approved by the Executive and Lindsay was invited to be our Guest and featured Speaker.

For 20 minutes or so, Lindsay spoke comprehensively about the advantages of us abandoning our role in the New Zealand Swimming Pool Industry and our Members joining PASA.

He talked about the advantages to the New Zealand public and Pool Builders that joining with PASA would create, which seemed quite interesting and probably desirable.

Lindsay is to provide us a video of his presentation, which will be emailed to all our members so that they may consider the benefits and weigh up the disadvantages. Accordingly, no discussion was undertaken beyond the 10 minute question time at the completion of his presentation.

No Membership response was expected at this meeting, and when the video is distributed to Membership, it will be subject to a further meeting to be called at some future date – hopefully within 90 days.

Of course, the PASA proposal by Lindsay introduces a monumental 'sea-change' for us, and in everything the NZPIA Inc is doing or planning to do in the future.

If the SPASA Australia proposal is acceptable to our Members, they will be expected to pay the Builder fee of $1,250.00 annually and $650.00 for non-Builder MEMBERs) to join with "PASA NZ*"

as it is unlikely that two "Swimming Pool Associations" would function satisfactorily in such a small market as New Zealand - the obvious course left for us is to dissolve the NZPIA Inc. SO THERE SHOULD BE SOME SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS OVER THIS PROPSAL

Kind Regards to you all,

Laurence E (Larry) Ogden – Dip Pool Tech (Hon) Certified Builders License #108/2021
Chief Executive Officer
Honorary Life Member
e&oe

* I registered name "Swimming Pool And Spa Association (NZ) LIMITED - SPASA NZ" in 2012 in anticipation of some future link with Australia. That didn't happen, but I still "own" the name in NZ, hence – unless I sell the name to lindsay – Pool And Spa Association "PASA" will be their name.   

	Incorporation Date: 15 Jan 2019
SWIMMING POOL AND SPA ASSOCIATION (NZ) LIMITED  (3885958) (NZBN: 9429030625662) Registered NZ Limited Company Laurence E Ogden, Incorporation Date: 20 Jun 2012 Suite 2, 134a Marua Road, Mount Wellington, Auckland, 1051, New Zealand

 

 

 

 

GOVERNMENTS 2015 "RULES REDUCTION" TASKFORCE?

I am not too sure what the Government was hoping for with this new Government Department?

Formed in 2015 apparently with the goal of (supposedly) reducing the RED TAPE of legislation regarding the construction industry.
Including the Swimming Pool Construction Industry!

 

THEY SEEM TO BE ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL when it comes to home swimming pools!

It had long been my contention that a home swimming pool should be relegated as 'Minor Works' and 'Rubber Stamped' for Building Approvals.

Finally, in 2017 MBIE told the Auckland Council (and others) to forget the RED TAPE on pools smaller than 35 cubic meters of water and let them get on with it, ad focus on the REAL ISSUE of NOT ENOUGH HOUSING BEING BUILT!

 

(a) The Auckland Council charges $2,640 for home swimming pool Approval (aka Building Permit)

Under the new 2017 Rule, they can't do that any more if the pool is under 35,000 Litres
BUT the swimming pool will still require a Pool Fence that complies with the Building Code and Clause F9

 

(b) So - they now charge $2,240 for the required POOL FENCE Approval?

Yes a 1.2m high POOL FENCE needs a independant Building Approval!

Why? I am sure they have their reasons. Fair enough - but $2,240.00?

 

That makes the Building Approval for a SWIMMING POOL the difference between (a) and (b) Above?

$400 ??

That would bring it into line with many other New Zealand Territorial Authoritys charges.
Usually around $650? (Input required here)

 

Why does Auckland Council charge $2,000 MORE to process a pool fence around a swimming pool than anywhere else in New Zealand?

Because the can.
And no-one complains.

NO RESIDENTIAL SWIMMING POOL OF ANY SIZE SHOULD NEED A BUILDING APPROVAL!
It's a HOLE IN THE GROUND FILLED WITH WATER!
\Only the Town Planning requirements should be considered!

 

Swimming pools never (or hardly ever) cast a shadow on the next door property, should never have been classed as 'impermeable' (obviously by someone 'in authority' who never actually considered them - like the rain that falls on the pool would have fallen on the grass it replaced, so if the pool 'overflows' - So What.) and pools included in 'ground coverage' calculations i.e. "it's a building", when it should be classed as a 'recreational area' like the 6 meter circular lawn space required on properties.

Another waste of your Taxpayer and Residential Rates money:
Pool design and structural calculations are required from a Professional Structural Engineer and this Engineer must be Certified as competent on the Council's list of 'approved' people. 
Inclusion on the list may be conditional on the Professional Engineer's agreement with the Council's engineer's ideas on structural engineering.

So why do Council then go and have these Professional Engineer's designs & calcs checked by 'their own' Staff Engineers - many of whom are either new Kiwis, recent Graduates, or 'Old School' boys who were there when Noah put his Building Approval application in for the Ark.

Why do these professional people's work 'have to be checked' - and insultingly, not apparently by their peers, but newcomers?
There have been rumours circulating that a few professional engineers are somewhat miffed by this situation, but don't feel it's their place to say anything.
So the situation continues .......

Here's an opportunity for the 'People' to have their say: Click these links to read more:

Stakeholder's Letter
RRT Postcard

www.govt.nz/rulesreduction.

Something of a milestone for the Pool Industry Association's web site:

This web page has just gone over 30,000 views.

That is since 5 March 2001 - 18 years or 1,667 per year or 138 views per month.

Back in 2001, there weren't that many internet users in the pool business.

Not a bad audience for such a specialised Industry!

Thanks, viewers

 

 

 

TRY TO DO THE DIPLOMA PAPER Number ONE AND SEND IT IN

 

SEE THE RESPONSES TO THE PROPOSAL FROM SPASA (BELOW)

2019 ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING:

 

TO BE CONFIRMED: IF THIS DOES NOT SUIT YOU EMAIL executive@poolguild.org.nz

WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 3 2019
Waipuna Lodge and Convention Center,
Waipuna Road, Mt Wellingon
Auckland

 

5:00 - 6:00 Meet 'n Greet
6:00 - 7:00 General Meeting: SPASA Takeover (see Responses below)
7:00 - 9:30 Dine and Dance

Bring your Wife, Partner or Companion (Pets not included)
Distance Subsidies Apply - call me for details
This will be the last GM for the 2018/19 Year - AGM in Aug/Sept

 

Larry Ogden (CEO)
NZPIA Inc

 

S.P.A.S.A. Proposal

SUGGESTED OPTIONS (UPDATED 27 MARCH 2019)

OPTION ONE         RE-BRAND AS A SIMPLE POOL INDUSTRY SOCIAL CLUB (NO DISPUTES/LEGAL FIGHTS)

OPTION TWO        DISBAND THE ASSOCIATION AND WIND IT UP COMPLETELY

OPTION THREE     CONTINUE WITH MORE COMPULSORY INVOLVEMENT FROM MEMBERSHIP

OPTION FOUR      CONTINUE AS A MODIFIED TRADE - SOCIAL/DISPUTES/LEGAL - ASSOCIATION   

Under a REVISED OPTION FOUR:

The Guild will continue with fee-based Legal Advice available to Members and Public via a Law Firm.
Disputes Inspectors from Builder Membership will be paid an Houly Rate which will be generated by a deposit received from the Dispute Applicant before we do anything.
Disputed cases will be investigated and analysed: A fee will be required for a written report.
Assets will be analysed and benefits to Membership adopted, as per the 25th Anniversary weekend was.

Consider which of the options (below) should be retained

(a) A Trade Association, Limited Liability Company - with staffing as required and dividends to shareholders

(b) Continue as a 'Not for Profit' Incorporated Society - continuing the current staffing methods
(c) Continue the Disputes Process as a self-funded operation, paying the Members who do the inspections
(d) Continue with Annual Membership Fees to fund basic operational costs, and continue with 3 annual dinner meetings

(e) Continue, but make the Diploma Course and Builders Licensing Scheme compulsory to encourage prospects a reason to join.
(f) Continue the self-funding Biennial Photographic Competition

 

Other options:
(f) We could investigate the joining together of NZPIA Inc with Landscaping people to boost membership and increased influence with Councils?

(g) In the past (2012), I registered the name Swimming Pool and Spa Assocation (NZ) Limited, on the off-chance that we may have been invited to jhoin the then SPASA and which may be used if required - Or at least give us the ability to influence SPASA Alliance if necessary.

 

RESPONSES FROM MEMBERS COMMENTING ON SPASA PROPOSITION TO TAKE OVER THE NZPIA Inc

AH. After looking at the options for voting on the future of the NZPIA, with the options offered I am unable to vote.

What I would like to see is an option whereby a potential merger with SPASA is mooted, or at least a commitment to further discussing what this may look like if it took place.
I don't believe they are looking to come into our market and run roughshod over the existing industry organisation, rather work with it, and I feel the information that has been shared thus far is not a balanced view of the situation.

My experience in dealing with our Aussie counterparts in the Pool industry stretches back a few years, I have enjoyed the benefits of drawing from my (our Ed.) cousins and scaling it to the local market. Let them make the mistakes and we get to pick up all the stuff that works. I do feel that this is how a merger with the likes of SPASA could potentially work, us being able to draw from a much larger pool of information.

With the SPASA show coming up, maybe there is the opportunity on the 3rd of May for a Q and A with a SPASA representative and members to alleviate some fears around where this may or may not end up. Kind Regards, AH

CJM

Hi Larry, re order of priorities for the association, in my opinion the assoc is not broken and does incredibly valuable work but needs a bit of a re look/tweak so the board members don't get disillusioned/burnt out, so I think,

1. that the assoc at very least maintains it's current profile
2. A lot has gone into forming the current set up and I believe this can work but the load HAS to be spread more evenly and rotated
3. We should maybe not worry about being a money making organisation but should at very least break even with maybe a bit of spare to come and go on. To that end some of our savings could be used to employ suitable outside professionals to help out. Maybe striking a rapport with some who could give us " a deal" through their social appreciation of what we are trying to do---the latter maybe a bit ambitious.
4. Any education courses diplomas etc should be put on the back burner for now but not discarded. Lets revisit them when we have a solid base again
5. Forget any arrangement with Australia at this time.
6. The members have to understand and appreciate what is involved in driving this boat, maybe at the next meeting, as an exercise, ask for a show of hands as to who is prepared to offer their time as the exec has done for many years!!
7. I think it is important to keep the calibre of exec members high and I think the current board does that and we should be trying to retain them but also help them to spread the load so they don't get disillusioned.
8. The committees as set up should remain as they are integral to the workings of the assoc
9. If we become a "social" gathering in my opinion we would be a futile piss up organisation and achieve very little whilst wasting all the effort that has gone in thus far.

I think if we can spread the load more evenly then as you have said below, it should be "business as usual" with a few tweaks here and there. For my part I am open to the idea of being co-opted as and when required and subject to availability and possibly looking at the disputes role again at some stage in the future but probably as a paid role. Hope this is of some help and more than happy to discuss further if you wish. Cheers. CJM

 

TMcG

Re: the Spasa options. Brent and I both prefer Option 4. Consideration be given to remuneration to board members or at least one paid board member (perhaps a semi-retired builder) to do most of the work.

We would be happy to pay more to be part of the guild but would prefer the control kept in NZ rather than give control to an Australian organisation that would be looking at making a profit.  We wouldn't be keen on paying a % of our turnover or disclosing this to an outside party.

I wondered if there is any professional organisation already set up (eg. ECANZ, Master Builders etc) who already have the systems and structure in place who for some remuneration would be interested in taking over the organisation of the guild - with governance from the board?  It could help with the administration and day to day duties.  Just an idea. Thanks for everything - keep us posted and we are interested to see what the other members feel. Kind regards TMcG

 

DT
Larry if we are voting on anything i oppose being taken over by SPASA  we may all need to pay more fees and employ someone to carry on the fight.
The disputes committee is invaluable for our industry. Regards DT

 

P&SB

We consider option four to better reflect the reality of the situation today with so many of us time poor. It is usual to pay for professional services in other aspects of business and this should be no different.

This option will reward those prepared to get involved with the Guild. Going legal on the various councils subjective interpretations of the legislation is a normal state of being now in a number of other industries.

Doing so will get their attention and the legal team ably supported by the knowledge coming from the Guild would pose a stronger challenge council can not ignore.
We understand the subscriptions would increase but accept that as part of doing business.

Spreading the cost of legal across many members is beneficial for all. The wealth of knowledge, funds and time invested in the Guild to date is too valuable to hand to SPASA.
Totally opposed to that option. Sincerely, P and SB

 

 

RM

It is important to support SPASA's entry into NZ as the return of a dedicated Trade Show such as the one to be held in May here will stimulate the industry. 

SPASA have also indicated they will work to create education pathways where NZQA recognized credits can be achieved (based on the Australian curriculum currently in place). This would help with staff retention and promote career paths in the industry which I believe would be valuable.

I am dubious as to whether SPASA would have the time nor inclination to support the NZPIA when it comes to local matters such as dealing with TA's on determinations or regulatory changes which will not be relevant to the Australian market.

The SPASA membership cost seem very high and on top of that, training fees will be extra - I think the average business owner in NZ will find these extreme.

Options 3 or 4 for continuing the Guild seem to be the most logical. Compulsory involvement and/or a rise in membership fees should be considered if this is what it takes to 'make it happen'. Consider leaving disputes resolution to the individual business owners (offer advice but not legal support as needed). Fund or support cases such as when dealing with TA's which effect the industry NZ wide instead.

Keep the Diploma and revise as necessary.
I made a point of finding the time to complete this - though it hasn't yet been updated on the website [SORRY - Editor] as I feel any opportunity to learn, develop and further knowledge is important.

As a registered IQPI, I meet with Auckland Council and MBIE representatives every three months.
I am happy to represent the NZPIA at these meetings. Recent determinations such as the SWISH findings are discussed at these meetings in an open forum and there is opportunity to have the collective wishes of the NZPIA taken into account as necessary. 

We should be able to support SPASA's entry to NZ AND drive the NZPIA in the right direction with collective determination of members who obviously see this association as having a very important place within our industry. Thank you for taking the time to consider my input. Thank you. RM - Dip Pool Tech (Hon)

 

CT

Hi Larry and Executive Members.

After reading the letter I thought I would at least give me "2 cents worth".
We are not a pool builder, nor are we in Auckland however I still believe the guild has a place hence us being joined for a number of years.

My thoughts are when the guild changed the name they had a huge chance to open up the guild to all in the pool and spa industry.
We all know that we all can't survive in this game without each other however the general consensus I get from some others is why join an industry which doesn't include service techs, retail shops etc.

My instant reply is "it takes more of us out of the "Builder" aspect of the industry to join to then have a voice".

I appreciate the history of the guild and never want to take anything away from that as without those beginnings and the countless hours that have been volunteered there would be no guild to even voice this concern.

Given the estimated costs that SPASA may have for some of their trainings I see a lot of other companies who were not with a "voice" look to want to join someone who has some say in the industry. From what I can see the SPASA courses are "recognised" and assume they will be here in NZ?

As to the diploma I think most of us have become lazy and feel most of us think there is no need to sit this given the majority of us know the answers. I know this is an excuse and I'm the first to put my hand up.

I can't recall how much it was to sit the diploma however given you were thinking of revising this maybe this is a good time to get people interested in it and putting their money where there mouth is.

I know that this diploma is not "recognised" however if the majority of us do the diploma this will provide revenue for my note below.

I believe that the guild still needs to stand as it is but with a few adjustments.

I believe the current fee system is good (and I think the out of towners appreciate the remuneration that we can have to attend meetings/AGM).

 

I think a focus could be made on some sort of recruiting to those who are not currently members.

A large brainstorm would be required by all as to how to best approach these members with the best reasons to join.

 

I believe that someone who is carrying out the majority of this work needs to be paid as the size of the guild as well as the way I think everyone wants it work, requires more time than just volunteered time. I haven't had a chance to speak to Any of my Aussie mates in the industry to get their opinion of the SPASA but I'm interested to see what others are thinking.
I would love to have been at the meeting in April however can't make it. Kind Regards CT

 

LH

Hi Larry. At last I am reasonably satisfied with our reply to your email to members regarding the SPASA development for NZ…

I have taken the view as a new member of NZPIA any comment I made in regard to the current organisational services offered by NZPIA to its members could be reasonably challenged… Hence, I have avoided this trap for young players…

Rather, I have taken the view, based on the statistics we have provided NZPIA to ask the question of the industry:

• "where do we want to go as an industry from here?"
• And provided the current "here" with our graph of pool consents from research purchased
• from Standards NZ during the period 1987 through to 2015 from which we reviewed a 12 year period to show the effect of "Super-City" on pool consents

SPASA were talking about promotions designed to increase market size by 10% per annum…

Looking at the graph and providing and educated guess through to 2018/19 – we will be lucky to just maintain 2013/14 consent volumes…

• Nil growth at best but more likely, further market losses especially in Auckland. This letter demands direction or a decision from members:
  Accept the SPASA joint market development proposal (after formal confirmation of their plans)

OR:

• Instruct NZPIA to develop a NZ program to achieve the same results advised by SPASA

OR:

• Do nothing as we (the members) are happy with the status quo

In regard to the AGM… No doubt however, any NZPIA decision will not happen on (April 3rd) but at least a broad brush market viewpoint has been presented to the members…
Incidentally, today I have heard from a client in Blenheim, Marlborough District Council have also caught the AS1 disease… Regards LH

 

DK

In my opinion; please do not accept the Australian offer.
As a Pool Retailer I do not necessarily fit "the mould" of Pool Builder however I trust you'll receive my opinion.

I visited a Training Seminar last year in Grey Lynn and the SPASA guy was present.
He was promoting (pushing the barrow) of his proposed Spa & Pool Expo here in NZ.

The general impression I gained (and there were others) was "who is this guy, in our patch, wanting to take the cream?"

(Abridged)

I got the overall impression that Australia wanted to show a presence in NZ because we need them.

I'm like you, we don't. The number 8 wire approach has to be adopted.

We all think we are too busy.....but are we?......surely there are more of us that can assist you &/or the Executive. I'm willing.

So long as you are happy with the "from afar approach" (being Kerikeri based) and alot of my work may need to be by email or phone.

Put that to the Members. Sorry, I cant be there on 3rd April for your Meeting. I have a prior arrangement.

For a parochial approach I am happy to liaise with local Pool Builders (***)Their input can be taken on board if it is of assistance to the Group.
I'm happy to be the communicator.

Anytime I'm in Auckland I'm happy to meet with you. As an aside, Geoff Bonham regularly visited me whenever he was up North.
He was the person who encouraged me to join your Association.

In October, I will celebrate 10 years in the Industry. A novice to an extent but a Goldcard holder probably means I have a wise head on my shoulders.
For a referral ask (****) Kind regards, DK

 

MY RESPONSE to DK

Great to have your feedback ****,

For years it has been myself and a few dedicated committee Members to fight for the New Zealand pool industry - Many of whom saw no benefit to joining the Guild – but took the achievements for free!

There are countless occasions where our presence at the many "ring fence all pools" groups tried to dominate the freedoms of the people to own and enjoy a pool at home

Yes, we agree that certain restrictions must be in place to protect children under five, but also feel that vigilance on the part of parents must come into it as well

Statistically, there has been an INCREASE in <5 drownings in Australia since they introduced the Ring Fence rule

The answer must be in the complacency that ring-fencing unfortunately brings … "The pool is fully fenced so we don't have to supervise the children"

I agree that the Aussies are not going to be interested in our problems, or fund any actions we need to take.
They are simply here to Sell Courses, Photo Competitions and put on SPLASH shows … and have stated publically that they do not intend to pay any dividends to our Guild

Let me know next time you are in the "Giant Car Park" We can have a coffee or lunch Kind Regards Larry

 

KC

 

Hi Laurence 

Thanks for your email in regards to these issues.  As a new ish member I haven't made it to a meeting as of yet.
With a tribe of 4 men (mi)d week is difficult to arrange kids as we would need to leave mid afternoon at best to make the meeting (Tauranga based)

I am interested as to the amount of time the guild uses dealing with councils I'm assuming around Auckland helping builders.
 
And also others thoughts, I have been I the industry for around 18 yrs and considered it a good idea to join the guild, I have always wanted to also look at doing the diploma but time is not currently on my side and perhaps now in light of recent developments I need to wait.
 
I believe the guild to be a great benefit and would happily pay more on an annual basis if required to help keep it.
I would have (thought) a lot of members would think the same?
 
I idea of been taken over / absorbed by SPASA isn't something that seems beneficial at all.  Regards KC

 

MY (Abridged) RESPONSE TO KC

Over the years, Guild committee members have donated free time over hundreds of hours representing you, the other Members, and the rest of Kiwi pool builders.

We currently have NO REPRESENTATION with Auckland TA and only one Builder Member left who was part of the earlier Standards and Fencing committees (Thanks to Neil Runciman).
Les Hole (SWISH Automation) is currently battling Determinations he consider unreasonable over self-closing doors with MBIE     

Should be still be represented to TA's?

Recently in Auckland – and coming to a TA near you soon – a swimming pool must now be located no nearer a Boundary Fence than 1.0m.
The smooth Boundary Fence must be 1.8m high with no laterals on either side. The "no internal laterals" is to stop an "under five" child from scaling the outside of the fence and then being able to lower themselves down onto the ground on the pool side. Presumably instead of falling into the pool and drowning.


Not permitted as a boundary fence with a nearby pool.

The obvious "elephant in this room" is – so, they will fall down the 1,800mm smooth inside of the wall onto a concrete path and be killed or maimed, but at least the TA has reduced the child-drowning statistics!

In other words, we either need to build up a RECOGNISED organisation of strength and determination to counter unreasonable or questionable rule changes, or simply forget is and lie down.

The arrival of SPASA into the picture goes deeper than a first glance reveals, hence our current discussions over the changes to our Guild.
As previously mentioned, OPTION FOUR with a Membership Funded LEGAL TEAM may be the answer.  

 

MW

Maybe a balance of options 3 and4 but probably better if it's discussed at the next meeting 
Thanks MW 

 

JH

Hi Larry and Executive members.
As a retired pool builder member of  The NZ. Pool Industry Association,  I would vote for Option 4, including all A B and C as suggested by Larry. The time has come and that is now very apparent the Industry does need to have paid professional assistance when required.

Unfortunately, I am out of Auckland the first week of April so will not be able to attend this Important Meeting. My apologies. Regards. JH.

 

DC (Guest Member)

Hi Guys, I am not a member of the association but you have been sending info to me so I feel I can comment.

I have been involved in the Pool and Landscaping Industry for some 35 years so feel I have some experience to offer.
I have been a full member of the Landscape Association for 32 years and have been involved on their executive.

Both associations have a lot of similar attributes which drive the same problems. The main one being a voluntary organisation which relies on the membership to provide the executive etc. Depending on the ability of these committee members has a direct result on the outcome of the association.

Both associations have a very low public profile. This is also reflected thru sporting associations NZ wide.

I believe the Landscape Association is heading in the right direction where we have paid staff in the form of an Executive Officer and Secretary. We know have a Board and the day to day running has been put onto paid staff.
We are still at a point where this could all be all in vain.
The main issue is membership numbers and the ability to generate new members who feel a need to be part of a national association.

Membership numbers have a direct correlation to the benefits business may see in becoming sponsors etc of the association. 

We have had very loyal sponsors who have seen the benefit of a national body.

The big target for both Associations is for the Government to bring the two trades into the Building sector and require certification. Certainly a possibility  but it would need to be driven by both sectors. Will it happen who knows. 

There are some issues which would need addressing but I feel there is a definite opportunity 
in both associations at least talking at a committee level and see what options are of common ground.It may start as a simple coming together at a level where we share a conference and awards.

The demise of the Pool Association would be a big step backwards and the amalgamation with SPASA
who would seem to be more about generating revenue rather than professional pool builders body.

I have never joined the Pool Association because it seemed to lack a professional approach looking from the outside and did not provide any reason to a potential client why they would look at using a member over a non member.. This may be a bit unkind to the members who have endeavoured to run the association as volunteers but the Landscape Association was and still is the same.

Would I pay $ 4,000 a year to be a member of SPASA? Or be part of a diploma course?
No not unless the level of public awareness of such an organisation hurt my bottom line financially.

 

I certainly would like to be able to put staff thru a dedicated course but that course needs to be recognised at a Government level.
Until this is done no point.

Always happy to talk as I see the same issues thru the Landscape Association and our Local sporting clubs. 
It is very easy to get caught up in past and what we have always done.

 

Our total social fabric has changed in the last 10 - 15 years and along with this the ability to find and receive information.
Time is a medium we are getting short on and the volunteer based association is on borrowed time.
Kind Regards DC

 

As I am a new member I have read all the info and end to agree to keep the Guild how it is.
I myself do intend to do the Diploma course asap and as the only real Pool association in the County and one that has taken noted individuals countless time and at there own expense. It would be a waste to hand it over.

Its all really said in feedback with the general consensus for the Guild to remain with a few tweaks - Put me in that corner matE, JB

 

SPASA REPORT 11 MARCHH 019

 

 

The following picture is the start of a New Zealand-wide Memo to the Pool Industry fromLes Hole, CEO of Swish Automation Ltd - Manufacturer of self closing & locking pool safety devices. CLICK THE MEMO for the full article.

Swish's Les Hole has been fighting MBIE and COUNCILS over the perversion by some Council Members of the actual RULES being adopted, by inserting their OPINION rather than sticking to the FACTS!

 

CLICK HERE or the MEMO (Above) for the explanation provided by Les on how we are being railroaded into adopting foreign legislation to "save time" for our own KIWI rule-makers

 

CLICK HERE for the update (8.3.2019)

 

As a MEMBER of the swimming pool industry of New Zealand (not Australia) you are advised to read Les' memo and think about your future if "They" can shut us down because we are a "nuisance" because we actually know what we are talking about, because it's our "LIVELEHOOD"!

 

NOTES: Download F9 and read it (If you are a pool builder, you MUST read it)

 

January 2019:

The Passing of long-time Guild Member and supporter of the Swimming Pool Industry in New Zealand, Geoffrey John (Geoff) Bonham is notified.

Geoffrey passed away on January 21st 2019, after a short illness.

Geoff was a good friend to many of us and was truly liked as a person, and admired for his voluntary dedication in representing the swimming pool industry to the Government and Territorial Authorities while maintaining his commercial interests in the field of Spa Safety Covers and Automatic Swimming Pool covers dating back to the 1970's and 1980's.

Moving on from his Leisuretime manufacturing and distribution company in recent years, Geoff was elected to Honorary Member of the NZ Pool Industry Association Inc in 2015 and remained an on-call Member of the Executive Committee whilst still participating in the pool accessory field

Geoffrey served the swimming pool Industry in 2004-2005 with his volunteer work on the NZ Standard 8500:2006 (which is still referenced in MBIE pool fencing rules) and served three years 2013-2015 on the Auckland Council Pool Fencing Committee while the most recent pool fencing act was developed and introduced as the Building (Pools) Amendment Act 2017 and section F9 of the Building Code.

Geoff always maintained that NZS 8500:2006 was a sufficient upgrade of the Fencing of Swimming Pools Act 1987, and continued to advise MBIE and the Territorial Authorities to simply 'fine tune' NZS 8500 – especially after the introduction of the 2017 Act which dismayed him and many others of us in the pool Guild.

As it always is, it's a shock when one of our friends passes away. Especially for me, as I had emailed Geoff on January 15th (last week) to suggest that we catch up for lunch soon.

His response was:
"That sounds like a great idea Larry, when would it suit you - next week or the week after"

Sadly, this was not to be.
A good person, who's presence will be missed
R.I.P. Geoff

 

November 2018:

BUILDER MEMBERS

The Christmas break might be a good time to remember to look at doing the Diploma Course:
Click this link ...

http://www.poolguild.org.nz/DiplomaIntroductionR1.html

Current Builder Members who complete the Diploma Course will Automatically become Master Pool Builders and can display the MASTER POOL BUILDER logos on their stationary, vehicles and web pages. And you an flash your Master Pool Builder card next time you are at the Council lodging a Building Application - who knows, it might get some traction there!

 

Take THE FIRST SMALL STEP today! Download and read the first couple of Papers
You will see how easy it will be to do the full Diploma Course

 

==> http://www.poolguild.org.nz/diploma2010R1.htm

 

DO IT NOW?

 

 

October 2018:
2019 - 2020 POOL PHOTOGRAPHIC COMPETITION
We've been so busy lately that we almost forgot the biennual Photographic Competition
The changes in the web sites for the NZPIA Inc have confused things somewhat
As a result, the competition for 2016-2018 was neglected, so I have introduced the new competition for 2019-2020

The PHOTO COMP tab (above) is an introduction to the latest version of the competition
Due to the delayed start, things may be a little hectic for some Builder Members as they are busy "building" - not "photographing" - however with a closing date of mid-May 2019, you should have ample time to get your photograph portfolio up tp date.

Good Luck.

QUARTERLY NEWSLETTER
Hopefully, you will have been receiving our quarterly NEWSLETTER prepared by Profesional Newsletter Editor Jenni Phan [mailto:jenni@elementalsolutions.com.au]

In early stages, it's often diffficult to find interesting things to say, and Jenni is not part of the swimming pool industry, so congrats to her for producing the framework of what could become an interesting contact medium with the NZPIA

Feedback and contributions are invited

SMALL POOLS MAYNOT NEED A BUILDING APPROVAL

The NZPIA has taken legal advice concerning clauses 21 and 32 Schedule 1 Building Act 2004 as amended by
the Building (Pools) Amendment Act 2016

That advice confirms that no building consent is required for construction of residential swimming pools that
meet the criteria of clause 23 Schedule 1 Building Act 2004.

However, we note that one Council that we have been in correspondence with concerning the issue set out a
compelling argument for managing risk if certain geotechnical issues are present at the intended site.

Accordingly, the NZPIA is of the understanding our members do not have to apply for building consent to
construct a residential swimming pool that complies with clause 23 Schedule 1 Building Act 2004; however,
they may submit such an application in circumstances where they wish to obtain guidance from Council
concerning the intended site.

In respect of pool fencing, the Building (Pools) Amendment Act 2016 at section 18(1) amended clause 21(2) so
that fences which do not require a building consent does not include pool fences. Accordingly, our members
will continue to apply for a building consent for all intended pool fences.

 

5 June 2018:



Across the ditch... pool fencing in NZ

We've been through the same thing here, now the pool fencing saga is playing out in New Zealand.

New pool safety legislation came into effect in New Zealand on 1 January 2017. The Building (Pools) Amendment Act 2016 repealed the Fencing Swimming Pools Act 1987 and inserted provisions relating to residential pool safety into the Building Act 2004.

According to the Ministry for Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE), key changes to the code included:

• residential swimming pool barriers must be inspected every three years;
• safety covers will be used as barriers for spa pools and hot tubs; and,
• territorial authorities will have better tools to enforce pool barrier requirements, including notices to fix and infringement notices.

Provisions in the building code included clause 162C (1), which deems that residential pools (filled or partly filled) must have means of restricting access — via a physical barrier — by unsupervised children under five years of age. Clause 162C (2) states that the means of restricting access must comply with the current code requirements, or those that were in force at the time of construction or installation (post 1987).

 

This probably seems fairly straightforward, not to mention familiar. Unfortunately — as is often the case with retrospective legislation — the implementation hasn't exactly been smooth sailing. There's been conjecture over 'short cuts' and 'loopholes', a couple of backflips and a whole lot of complaining as industry, government and water safety groups try to reach some sort of consensus.

While the new Act requires territorial authorities to inspect pool fences, it also allows regions to waive or modify building code requirements. The intent here is for authorities to exercise judgement when dealing with 'unusual compliance conditions'.

What is a suitable physical barrier?

In February this year, local NZ news website stuff.co.nz reported that in the 12 months since the new Act came into effect, MBIE had received 25 waiver applications that nominated automatic covers as a suitable physical barrier to swimming pool access. Had 23 of the 25 waiver applications not originated in one council district, the trend may not have been immediately apparent.

The bulk of the applications came from Marlborough District Council, which said it had sought clarification from MBIE on the use of electric safety covers versus fences. The council said ithad received no signal to suggest this was an unsuitable solution, so continued to submit waiver applications in the same vein. The crux of the issue here is the subjective nature of the process — what inspectors in one district determine to be a reasonable modification won't necessarily be seen that way by others. One man's 'unusual compliance conditions' are not the same as another's, if you like.

At this point, Water Safety NZ (WSNZ) stepped in and suggested the only acceptable form of barrier was fencing and that the inclusion of pool covers as an alternative threatened to introduce uncertainty because the practice is open to human failure. As five children under the age of five had died in preventable deaths since the legislation came into effect, WSNZ said that allowing pool covers as an alternative to fencing was effectively a 'short cut' that introduced unacceptable risk and should be banned.

Covers banned

By late March, the use of automatic pool covers without fencing was banned nationwide, with MBIE ruling the practice as non-compliant with the building code. MBIE said that a compliant pool fence with automatically closing gates or door alarms presented less risk than the use of an automated pool cover. This is because the pool cover could be left open — even if only temporarily — when a supervising adult was not present. Given that the overriding intent of building code changes was to prevent injury or death to young children in residential pools, MBIE deemed the increased risk associated with (fenceless) pool cover use as incompatible with that overall objective.

Predictably, not everyone was happy with the outcome. In Marlborough, 200 affected pool owners will have to apply for building consent to install a compliant barrier. For those with expired exemptions, that is an immediate requirement and, for those with as-yet-unexpired waivers, a compliant installation must be in by the expiry date (which can be between five and 10 years). 

For those with an immediate issue, the council suggested a range of remedies including putting up a temporary barrier and draining pools to 400 millimetres or less. The latter of these presents an additional problem, as it potentially creates a drop of more than one metre. Not only is this also unallowable under the building code, it represents an even greater safety risk, according to industry members. Temporary measures aside, home owners with expired waivers have only 90 days to comply.

Industry members suggest that planned pool installation projects have been cancelled in the wake of the ruling and that home owners fear their property value will go down because of the fencing requirement. The NZ Pool Industry Association (NZPIA) thinks the MBIE has gotten it wrong and that the determination* should have been challenged by Marlborough District Council.

*(This is not strictly correct, as a Poll of Association Members indicated 28 of 33 returns agreed with the MBIE decision.
The Auto Pool Cover providers and Alternatived Solution Members disagreed that MBIE had removed the right of the
Territrial Authorities to allow these covers as an "Acceptable Alternative" to a ring-fenced pool, and are currently
seeking legal advice on how to protest the MBIE Determination. The NZPIA Inc has yet to be approached whether we
agree with their protest. )

The devil is in the detail

According to NZPIA, the devil is in the detail... because the Building Act does not explicitly rule out the use of covers as a barrier, it believes they should be allowed. Some industry members feel that the 'human failure' argument isn't justified, as an adult is equally capable of leaving a pool gate open as they are of not covering a pool. Faulty and inoperable gates also represent a notable risk, so can't be deemed 100% failsafe. In justifying the issuing of waivers, Marlborough District Council said that no children have drowned at locations where automated pools covers are installed since the practice commenced.

There are calls to make determinations on a case-by-case basis, given that every pool installation is different.

When discretion fails

Compounding an already complex and contentious issue is the recent discovery by Whangarei District Council (WDC) that many previously approved fencing installations are actually non-compliant.

This came to light when a home owner sought certification on a property being sold. The inspection found the pool fence didn't meet with code, despite having previously been approved. This prompted the council to conduct a random audit, which saw 10 of the 11 inspected properties failing. Council said it was likely the fault of inspection officers 'using more discretion than was likely appropriate', again highlighting limitations with an essentially subjective process.

There are over 1200 privately owned pools in the district, many of which will undoubtedly be recognised as non-compliant.

WDC plans a complete review of its database and reassessment of fencing installations — starting with pools seen as 'higher risk'. It also reminded pool owners of their own obligations and encouraged self-inspection with a focus on vegetation growth and changes to buildings, ground level or surrounding gardens.

Size matters

So, pools must be fenced. End. Of. Story. Or is it? Clause 162C (3) of the Building Act says, "In the case of a small heated pool, the means of restricting access referred to in subsection (1) need only restrict access to the pool when the pool is not in use."

This means that spa pools, provided they are 760 mm above the ground and have a surface area of less than five square metres, don't need a fence, but are required to have a lockable cover in place when they are not in use. Any pool that extends beyond five square metres and is deeper than 400 mm is automatically recognised as a pool, regardless of whether it is 760 mm above the ground. This means the fencing rule applies.

Early days

The legislation may have come into effect in January 2017, but most of the issues outlined in this article have come to light within the last three months, which serves to remind what a complicated undertaking this is... and we've only looked at the nuts and bolts of implementation.

As an initiative designed to save lives, the focus often moves to seemingly secondary issues — like aesthetics and property values. We're a little further down the track in Australia, pretty much at the point where seeing an unfenced pool is akin to watching someone light up a cigarette in the office or a restaurant — once commonplace, but now unthinkable. Hopefully the dust will settle in NZ and consensus be achieved. If it only saves one child's life, it has to be worth the trouble.

Image credit: © stock.adobe.com/au/Dominique Ducouret

NEW ZEALAND POOL INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION Incorporated
Chief Executive Officer's Report GENERAL MEETING 16th May 2018

This is the last Report for the 2018 Financial Year which terminates on 30 June
It's been a busy year for most Pool Builders so far, and this means a busy year for the Trade Supplier Members and other swimming pool industry associated trades and pool shops

I would like to express our appreciation to the current fourteen Trade Supplier Members, and remind our Builder Members to support them by using their services and buying their products where possible, just as they support our Trade Organisation with their contributions to our fees.

The Highlight of the 2018 year – the 2017 AGM 25th Anniversary - was a tremendous success, to the credit of organiser Vikki Templeman - who's planning and execution of a fantastic night out was flawless.

Other items of note this year include the Adoption of our new name The NZ Pool Industry Association Inc and the amendments to the Constitution needed to accomplish this. Our resurrected Online Newsletter would have been received by all Members: Comments are welcomed.

The repeal of The Fencing of Swimming Pools Act 1987 to be replaced by the Building (Pools) Amendment Act 2016, was in force from January 1st 2018 and was meant to reduce the number of Council staff "Interpretations" causing Builders real problems in getting Building Permits.

Our Association contributed to these changes through the attendance by Geoff Bonham, Neil Runciman, and myself to Auckland Council's Fencing Committee 2013 - 2016

The Schedule to the Act was supplemented by Clause F9 – Means of Restricting Access to Residential Pools, which allows for acceptable alternatives to be considered. Acceptance of Automatic Pool Covers by some Councils as an alternative to a "Barrier" as specified in the new Act got into the Mainstream Press: Not a great Idea, as it prompted that Local Marlborough Authority to request a Determination from MBIE – which ruled against them.

This prompted out recent On Line-Poll, in which resulted in 33 responses to the question

"ARE AUTOMATIC POOL COVERS ACCEPTABLE AS A BARRIER ALTERNATIVE UNDER F9"  

The question asked of Members was narrowly focussed, and obviously the responses reflected this:
28 No --- 5 Yes

-  But the way questions are asked often foretell the obvious answer, as in the final analysis, and under certain conditions, an Automatic Pool Cover is probably the most effective barrier against Under 5's accessing a swimming pool. If it is in the closed position.

MBIE was more concerned with the Human Nature aspect – like forgetting to close the cover, kids closing it while other kids were in the pool – for a joke - that could cause tragedy, and power strikes that render the mechanism useless and stuck in the "open" state for just a few reasons given.

Our Guest Speakers this evening Les Hole & Geoff Bonham will discuss these issues, in seeking support of the idea that our Association should officially dispute the MBIE determination on behalf of the Swimming Pool Industry. Due to time constraints this evening, this will be a limited audience participation event.

Thank you.

Laurence E (Larry) Ogden Dip Pool Tech (Hon) NZPIA Certified Builder #108/2021
Chief Executive Officer

General Meeting 16th May 2018 at Waipuna Conference Centre, Auckland

AGENDA

4:00 – 5:00 Executive Committee Meeting
5:00 – 6:15 Meet n Greet at Wellington's Bar
6:30 – 7:00 Conference Room

CEO Larry Ogden: Welcome to Members and Guests

ADVANCE Apologies: (More will be in the Minutes which will be posted later)

Adrian Hill         
Justin Miharere                               

Executive Committee Reports:

Finance                              Darryl Blennerhassett
Membership                     Kerry Richmond
Ethics/Disputes               Lawrie Tanner (Emailed comments from Justin Miharere)

CEO:
Executive Member resignations:

Carlos Morgan: The Pool Industry Assn gave CJ a parting gift in appreciation of the many years of time & efforts give freely to the Association. An Engraved Gold ball-point pen was presented to Carlos in appreciation. His attendance as Disputes Chair will be missed.

Justin Miharere: Justin found the time requirements of running his pool company made it difficult for him to perform his Executive duties for the Association, so regretfully tendered his resignation

Vacant Positions on Executive:

Disputes Investigation & Resolution
General Executive duties, dealing with Council and MBIE as required

If you are, or know a Member who may be, interested - email executive@poolguild.org.nz

Notes:
1. There's a 2:1 Constitutional requirement ratio of Builder Member to Non-Builder Member
2. Easy access to Auckland for the four or five annual meetings would be preferable.

CEO State of the Nation (Separate page)

7:00 – 7:30
Guest Speakers Les Hole & Geoff Bonham: Contentious ruling by MBIE re inadmissibility of acceptance of Alternative Option for a pool barrier by an Automatic Pool Cover 7:00 – 7:30
7:30 – 9:30 Dine & Dance at Wellington's Restaurant & Bar

 

 

MBIE Decides whether Auto Pool Covers provide a compliant pool 'Barrier'
Click the above graphic to download PDF file of Determination

Mike Freeth Pool Builder Nelson SI brought this to the attention of the Media
Click picture above for more and Stuff's article on it.

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Our Twenty-Fifth BIRTHDAY CelebratioN

Rotorua 25th Birthday Bash on Saturday 4th November was a great success
Thanks to Organiser Vicky Templeman for her efforts in making this a memorable event!

Sumptuous dinner menu in incredible surroundings: in a converted swimming pool
- what could be more fitting?
Thanks to all who attended - a Great Time was had by all
Entertainment provided by The Mermaids

CEO Laurence E (Larry) Ogden Dip Pool Tech (Hon) NZPIA Certified Builder 108/2021

 

HERE'S THE TALENTED LADY WHO ORGANISED IT
Vicky Templeman

 

MANY THANKS FOR A WONDERFUL NIGHT OUT VICKY
Thanks to kerry richmond photographer of sorts

 

THE NEW ZEALAND SWIMMING POOL INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED
TWENTYFIFTH ANNIVERSARY WEEKEND

 

 

Award and Gifts chosen by Vicky and other Exec Members were presented to me to commemorate my 25 consecutive years in the Association.

This event held on Saturday 4th November 2017 celebrated twenty-five years since the founding of the New Zealand Master Pool Builders Inc – now known as the NZ Pool Industry Association Inc. I hope you have enjoyed your dinner and the event so far tonight.

Firstly I would like to share our appreciation to the organiser of this event:  Vicky Templeman.

In the planning stages, Vicky soldiered on bravely despite a terrible home accident earlier in the year in which she ended up with a badly broken leg and Hospital treatment. Trying to get this event sorted was (as Vicky told me) "Trying to herd cats" and I quite believe her, so please make sure you have a great time tonight!

In planning this event, Vicky was assisted by Executive Treasurer Darryl Blennerhassett who handles the financial side of the planning.

And of course the Executive Committee – a voluntary position freely given - was involved one way or another,

so my thanks to them all -

Justin Miharere, Laurie Tanner, Kerry Richmond, and ex-officio executives Neil Runciman, Geoff Bonham and Paul Fuller representing us to Council and Government and Paul looking after our Tauranga interests and of course our recently retired Senior Executive, Carlos Morgan.

The original 1992 Members were:

Steve Budden	Trade	Poolright Equipment
Tammy Dobbs	Builder	Counties Pools
Kevin Julian - Secretary	Builder	Creative Environments
Mike McGurk	Fibreglass	Spa & Pool Factory
John McLaren	Builder	John McLaren Pools
Larry Ogden - Chairman	Builder	Cascade Pools
Brett Starns	Builder	BM Starns Limited
John Sutherland - Treasurer	Trade	Aquatech Industries
Peter Thomas	Builder	Peter Thomas Pools
Steve Webster	Builder	Landscape Designs
Kevin Williams	Fibreglass	Civic Pools

Of these 11 original Members only Steve Budden, Kevin Julian, John Sutherland and myself are current members.

I am not sure what has become with the other members, although one has since died, and others left the pool industry

I would also like to mention our ROLL OF HONOUR Members.
These are individuals who – for various reasons – have been awarded Honorary Life Membership of the association:

Gordon Nimmo                            Retired                 5 years as Treasurer 1997 – 2002
Carlos Morgan                            Still Working       16 years Life Achievement Service to Swimming Pool Industry
Bill Strowger                               Retired                 9 years as South Island representative 1999 – 2008
Neil Lewis                                    Deceased             3 years as General Committee Member  1997  - 1999
Kevin Julian                                 Retired                 5 years as President  1992 – 1997
Mike Wesseldine                       Deceased             Structural Engineer & Friend to the Swimming Pool Industry – 2012
Geoff Bonham                             Still Working       20 years' Service to Swimming Pool Industry - 2014         
John Honore'                               Retired                 3 years President – 2015
Terry Hunt                                    Working               10 year Service to Swimming Pool Industry 1996 - 2016    

And myself, 2004 for 20 years' Service to the Swimming Pool Industry (that was 13 years ago & I'm still here!)

Meeting monthly at a downtown Auckland bar, a few of us "Rebels" had decided to form our own pool association as the The Master Pool Builders (formed as a "Trade Guild")

 

We were disgruntled ex-members of the New Zealand Swimming & Spa Pool Association Inc.
Being a Guild meant there was no corporate body that could be sued, just a "Trade Guild" of individual "Tradesmen".

The New Zealand Master Pool Builders Guild 1992 evolved over the next 25 years as The New Zealand Master Pool Builders Incorporated in 2008, and finally The New Zealand Pool Industry Association Incorporated in 2017

The original New Zealand pool association was formed back in 1976 to try to bring some sanity to the relatively new out-of-control pool industry, with the goal of sorting out the almost "Wild West" pool business at the time.

The thought was that by bringing the pool builders together, it would encourage them to change their attitudes to each other

 

In those days, the opposition was "the enemy" when (just as now) the Pool Industry is just one "Leisure Industry" competing for the disposable Dollar being spent on Boats, Caravans, Campervans and Overseas Holidays.

To a large extent, this is still true today in the middle classes, whereas the upper echelons will have pools constructed as a necessary "Badge of status".

 

They were so antagonistic towards each other in those days that we had to appoint a couple of "Strong Arm" Master at Arms members ( I think Terry Hunt was one) to be on hand at Meetings to sort out the fist fights that used to break out between Builder Members. 

By the late 1980's many Pool Builders had left the organisation due to policy differences being adopted by the elected committee, and in the early 1990's the collapse of their once successful Bonding Scheme resulted in a huge debt which virtually put them out of business, setting the scene for the new Pool Guild to fill the vacancy.

From small beginnings of eight to ten pool regular builder members in 1992, we now have more than 70 mixed memberships listed on the Membership Listing - including not only BUILDER MEMBERS but FIBREGLASS INSTALLERS, Fibreglass pool Distributors, Equipment Manufacturers and Distributors, Spa Pool manufacturers, TRADE SUPPLIERS. POOL SHOPS, POOL SERVICEMEN and ASSOCIATE MEMBERS such as Pool Trade Staff or other categories.

We have evolved the Guild into a Corporate Style of management by an appointed Executive rather than a committee being elected by popular vote. This allows a diverse organisation of all swimming pool industry members, but maintaining the core direction being guided by the members who create the income: the swimming pool builders, and establish the "ground rules" for the pool industry:

Our Creed:

 

FOR THE PUBLIC

"The Association was formed to sort out the less reputable and poorer quality builders, to promote excellence in its reputable Builder Members, and to recommend a choice of pool type and style which will enable the public to make a choice they will not regret"

 

FOR THE MEMBERS

"To provide a Forum for industry-related people to meet in a friendly and non-confrontational environment, and exchange ideas or vent problems. Open to all Industry Members who pledge to meet our ethical and quality standards and to abstain from any activity that is disadvantageous or detrimental to, or critical of, their fellow Industry Members."

In order to facilitate these lofty goals, we initiated projects that would raise the Public and Territorial Authorities awareness of the substantial New Zealand Swimming Pool Industry:

1. Biennial Photographic competition: First held in 2002/2003 and due again next year
2. The NZ Diploma Course was developed from the 1980's Australian Pool Technician's Course
3. Introduction of the Pool Builder's Licensing as a supplement to the Diploma Course for Builders
4. The Web Site – debuted in 2001, and now with a PUBLIC and MEMBERS version
5. Disputes Assessment and Resolution program for both Builder-Client and Client-Builder disputes

We need to attract younger builders into the industry, and - in my opinion- by introducing Swimming Pool Industry Certification or Qualification courses, we could offer them recognised Industry Qualifications that would be accepted by the Public and City Councils and bring some stability to the industry.  

This can be our five year goal:
I hope I can encourage younger Members to make it happen.

 

Regards,

 

Laurence E (Larry) Ogden Dip Pool Tech (Hon) NZPIA Certified Builders License 108/2021
Chief Executive Officer
New Zealand Pool Industry Association Incorporated     

The original 11 Members comprised seven Pool Builders to Fibreglass Installers and two Trade Suppliers:

1992

The original Logo was the result of an invitation from the members to suggest something: About six or so were considered, by the design by Steve Webster was finally chosen, and still exists in a modified format to this day.

 

Easy to see which one we chose!

The first thought for our name wasn't the Master Pool Builders ...

Remember that the NZSPA was still in action at that time - we were the deserters who abandonded them due to the large number of non-builder members ending up running the association. This is why we carefully monitor our Members rights to avoid this happening again.

The Executive are of the unshakeable opinion that the Pool Industry "Starts" with the Pools being built, so the Pool Builders interests need to be taken care of initially - as they create the wealth which trickles down to the Pool Shops, Pool Servicemen and Trade suppliers.

We hope that you will be able to join us in celebrating our 25th anniversary
As usual, it will be difficult to suit everyone with a suitable venbue and date, but we would like you to try to come.

More on the proposed dates soon .......

A Change in Direction

Back in 2015, and mentioned again at the 2016 AGM was our trending towards moving into our 26th year of operation by setting some new goals.

WE WILL HENCEFORTH BE KNOWN AS THE NZ POOL INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION Inc - NZ PIA Inc

We felt that many potential Members saw the original name as only a 'Pool Builder's Guild' and didn't see the point of joining.

THE NEW ZEALAND POOL INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED

We have devised a new (but similar) LOGO to go withthe new name

STICKERS WILL BE AVAILABLE IN DUE COURSE

CHECK THE LOGO USEAGE PAGE in the MEMBERSHIP section FOR MORE

 

Membership Fees - FROM July 1st 2017 TO June 30 2018

ANNUAL FEES:

We have had adopted 5% increase in fees for the new year

FPM = "Full Privilege Member, i.e. Voting Rights when required, Gratis Dinner at General and Annual General Meetings
NVR = "No Voting Rights" and usually  combined with NDR "No Dinner Rights"
NDR = "No Dinner Rights"
DR   = "Dinner Rights"
NDR Members may attend all meetings, and pay for their (and their partner's) Dinner cost.of $50 per person
All Members may attend the Meet & Greet Hour and the following Meeting, but no Gratis Dinner
GOLD BUILDER MEMBERS and BUILDER MEMBERS	FPM DR	$385.00
ASSOCIATE BUILDER MEMBERS	FPM DR	$385.00
ASSOCIATE FIBREGLASS INSTALLER MEMBERS	FPM DR	$385.00
ASSOCIATE MEMBER TRADE SUPPLIERS	FPM DR	$1,050.00
DIPLOMA COURSE 12 month FEE ($450.00 value)		$360.00	Must complete within 12months
ASSOCIATE MEMBER POOL SHOP	NVR NDR	$192.50
ASSOCIATE MEMBER POOL SERVICEMAN	NVR NDR	$192.50
DIPLOMA COURSE AVAILABLE ($450.00)
ASSOCIATE MEMBER INDUSTRY STAFF	NVR NDR	$105.00
ASSOCIATE MEMBER GENERAL  (BASIC)	NVR NDR	$192.50
ASSOCIATE MEMBER GENERAL (FULL)	DR	$385.00
ASSOCIATE MEMBER HONORARY	FVR DR	Gratis
Non-DR Members who wish to stay for Dinner	Per Plate	$60.00

 

 

Monday 12 June 2017

UPDATE

 

Swish take this opportunity to invite all interested parties in the pool consent process (architects, landscapers, builders, pool manufacturers, installers and home owners) to join us in what amounts to a fight to retain the right to make life-style decisions around home pool ownership and child safety.

Swish are continuing efforts to get the MBIE advised "non-mandatory clauses" removed or modified in the NZBC F9 AS1 and AS2 Schedule published 28 April 2017.

The starting point in our campaign is clause 4.2.1 which "requires all door-sets with home pool access to be single leaf door panel of not more than 1000mm wide!" - This restriction reversing a 12 year successful "Best Practice" in pool safety compliance.

After our four emails to MBIE we have determined:

1. AS1 Schedule clause 4.2.1 is not-mandatory
- As confirmed on the 10 May 2017

2. Multi-panel door-sets with panels wider than 1000mm can be modified for pool compliance under NZBC F9 "as an alternate solution" when Swish systems are used 
- As confirmed on 12 May 2017

3. Consent approvals and Exemptions issued to 31 December 2017 remain valid unless the pool or property is modified by work undertaken under a Building Consent - As confirmed on the 12 May 2017

4. Consent approvals issued between 1 January 2017 and 28 April 2017 by BCA's using the FoSPA 1987 Schedule and/or NZS 8500-2006 remain valid under NZBC F9 unless the pool or property is modified by work undertaken under a Building Consent
- As confirmed by this email dated 11 June 2017!

Swish have again written to MBIE advising some BCA's are not following points 1, to 4. on consents issued for projects up to and including the 28 April 2017. In this regard we have requested MBIE issue an advice or instruction to BCA's ensuring consented projects are not delayed in the building certification process.

We have also again requested advice on the following:

a. Advise how Swish can expedite safety compliance approvel on the 85 plus projects we have in progress without increasing compliance cost to the client until subclause 4.2.1 is removed from the AS1 Schedule.

b. Confirm when MBIE will remove subclause 4.2.1 and eliminate its potentially chaotic consequences.
Swish have also suggested MBIE adapt the referenced document NZS 8500 clauses 2.3.2 / 3.7 / 4.6 (which describe and specify a 'child resistant door-set') advising this could, with minor adjustments for clarity and cohesion, replace NZBC F9 AS1 4.2.1 / 4.2.3 / 4.2.4

Swish take this opportunity to invite all interested parties in the pool consent process (architects, landscapers, builders, pool manufacturers, installers and home owners) to join us in what amounts to a fight to retain the right to make life-style decisions around home pool ownership and child safety.

We have available in pdf format all our emailed letters to MBIE on this subject which can be used as part (or the basis of) your own effort to get these new clauses revoked. These clauses were not reviewed or discussed during the "making pool safety easier" submission or Select Committee process. On this basis alone, they should be removed from the published NZBC F9 legislation and its schedules.

Swish also confirm subclause 4.2.1 is not the only cause for pool industry concern in NZBC F9 AS1 and AS2 however, many of the other 'introduced without referance' clauses in the documents will fall on the successful removal of this piece of stupidity.

Again, we seek your support and assitance in ensuring MBIE are encouraged to exercise common sense as it relates to door-set specification and modification.
Les J Hole - Director - Mobile 2074 77 9000 

May 26th 2017

 

As previously advised, we have requested MBIE advice on how pool compliance could be achieved with multiple door panels, or for door panels wider than 1000mm which are larger than the specification contained in the NZBC clause F9 Schedule 4.2.1

The answer recommended in the Swish Technical Review of this clause (available from our website) was supplied to MBIE on the 10 May 2017 and has achieved the following response:

1. NZBC F9 Schedule 4.2.1 is not a mandatory requirement for pool compliance.

2. Multi panel door-sets or door panels wider than 1000mm when fitted with Swish Pool Access Safety Systems, are acceptable for pool compliance under NZBC clause F9 Schedule 4.2.1 as an 'alternative solution.'

3. MBIE have confirmed all pool consents issued before 31 December 2016 will be valid until there are new works proposed where a building consent is required.

4. Swish have again requested MBIE confirm a procedure to obtain 'alternative solution status' for door-sets with multiple door panels or with door panels wider than 1000mm without the need for an application for a special 'Determination.'

For further information and updates, click the banner and access the Pool Safety  legislation pages. Our discussions with MBIE regarding pool safety compliance under NZBC clause F9 and its Schedule, will be posted as they become available.

Les J Hole - Director - Mobile: 0274 77 9000

 

Friday 28 April 2017

From the Ministry of Business Innovation & Employment

Fencing of Swimming Pools ( 2016 Act ) Acceptable Solutions

>>>>> Here's the PDF file from MBIE >>>>>[click here]

From Les Hole - Swish Automation

Tonight we obtained a copy of the new NZBC clause F9 Schedule of Acceptable Solutions F9/AS1 and F9/AS2 "Means of Restricting Access to Residential Pools" - The good news is that the Schedule uses NZS 8500-2006 as a Reference document but you can review  the document for yourselves by clicking the banner, going to the Legislation page and download the MBIE Schedule dated 27 April 2017...
It is also pleasing to note that the NZS 8500-2006 definition of the "immediate pool area" which followed the Randerson Declarity Judgement of October 2004 is retained in full... The home pool owner retains the right to specify the proposed use of their pool and determine pool related activities within their designated pool area... The advice contained in the Swish Open & Shut Cases PoolZone Solutions is still valid and also downloadable by clicking the banner above... 
However, some of the definitions under section 4.0 "Windows and Doors in the building wall" contain both progressive and regressive elements of change that will need working through in a practical sense... A great pity, as the document promised so much and failed to deliver by changing elements of both FoSPA and NZS 8500-2006 that didn't need changing... But an opportunity to improve the documents practicality in use is available through the MBIE "Determination" process or indeed, during a NZS 8500-2006 review which we are advised, is due later this year...

Les J Hole. Director.     
Mobile: 0274 77 9000   /   0800 2Swish   -   0800 279 474  

Friday 17th March 2017

FOR ALL THOSE WHO CALLED TO ASK HOW TO ADD THEIR VOICE TO THE AMENDMENTS TO THE NEW FENCING LAW ISSUE:



Received from Les Hole:

Hi Larry

I thought my email promotion to all architects, landscapers, pool builders, window / door manufacturers, builders and developers on our books was understandable:

1. Go to the Swish Home page by clicking the promo banner
2. This would take the recipient to www.swishautomation.com

1. Download the Swish letter and submission to MBIE dated 16/12/16
2. Read and review the content which includes "child resistant doors" – "Immediate Pool Area" - "Swing of hinge doors" – "Spa pools and hot tubs" – "Falling from height requirements for infinity pools" – and make notes about your own experiences

1. Write a (supporting) email addressed to buildingfeedback@mbie.govt.nz
2. Advising of your own problems with the compliance areas listed
3. Supporting the submission of Swish to get these problems fixed
4. Also end it to your local MP and Dr Nick Smith (full parliamentary list is provided)
5. Attach the Swish letter and submission dated 16/12/16

1. The reason?
2. The attached graph highlights the 500 pools a year "Lost" in Auckland since the introduction of the Super City and its campaign to make pool ownership difficult
3. The graph also shows pool consents for Auckland were 50% of the total, in 2104 that figure dropped to 40% at the most
4. And it shows all territorial authorities are affected by Auckland Council attitudes through to 2014 and still are today
5. Currently we have 15 projects 'on-hold' at Auckland City because they cannot understand the MBIE instruction "to use the Schedule to FoSPA 1987 and NZS 8500 for pool compliance until the new clause F9 Schedule is published…
6. The good news? Of the 15 projects held:
1. Three are for pool that have been installed
2. Twelve are for building consents that include a pool
3. Question 1: How long will it be before those projects delete the pool to get the consent through and the building works started?
4. Question 2: Will those projects ever have a pool built in the future?

Sure, the effects on Swish are immediate, nationwide and obvious… We see the cancellations…
Obviously, the pool industry doesn't recognise they are losing business daily otherwise, they like Swish, would have been writing to MBIE, making submissions and attending Select Committee Hearings to protect their industry from further losses….

Just saying…
Happy for this package to be uplifted to the Pool Guild website, unchanged… And to assist the cause which is that "we have an industry to work in 50 years" I have attached our Submission of the 16/12/16 to save your member the inconvenience of an internet trip…
Regards
Les

Les J Hole
Director
Mobile: +64 274 77 9000

Wednesday 8th March 2017

Received from Les:

Hi Larry
While I tried to keep this Swish promotion understated, I do agree with the sentiment expressed in the covering letter and your web site newsletter headline…

• I was appalled at the attitudes expressed at Select Committee Hearings by the medical profession…
• I was appalled at the misinformation (deliberately) leaked into the media by safety organisations that talked "total child drownings" and then referred to "the home pool!"
• I was appalled at the attitude of the Select Committee accepting medical profession 'scientific' submissions without challenge to drowning statistics…
• My submission attempted to balance the information regarding child drownings in home pools, and my figures were challenged… I advised they were from 'Drown-Base NZ" and readily available by download… Did the Select Committee check or follow through?
• Swish also supplied an analysis of child drownings in NZ and Australia from safety organisation sources which were population adjusted… These showed that despite Isolation Fencing, child drownings in the home pool were worse in Australia…
• After my submission, Star Ship Hospital senior management again followed the 'party line' inferring all child deaths by drowning occurred in the home pool and that their wards were full of children with near drowning injuries…
• Star Ship advised once again, our drowning statistics were worse than Australia and Isolation Fencing was the answer…
• ONCE AGAIN this submission was UNCHALLENGED by the Select Committee…

It was therefore, doubly disappointing last week to pick up on a comment that inferred "it appeared the government were on the wrong track by not adopting Australian Legislation…"

I put this attitude down to the lack of interest in the (then proposed) legislation from current pool owners and the general pool industry, including architects and landscapers…

• Had 10% of this potential interest base put in a written submission, MBIE would have received over 200,000 submissions…
• Had 1% of this potential interest base put in a written submission, MBIE would have received over 20,000 submissions…
• MBIE received 392 written submissions – Go figure!
• Our industry will get the pool legislation it deserves – Unless it wakes up today!

Thanks for your efforts to get support for our submission (following NZS 8500) which we have sent to our 1000 data base of architects, pool builders, landscapers and builders…

Question:
Can you and your members, also send the original Swish promo to your clients?
The more pressure we put on MBIE in the next 2 months the better to get workable legislation!

Regards, Les Hole

Tuesday 7th March 2017

Message to Larry Ogden CEO NZMPB Inc from Geoff Bonham NZMPB Pool Fencing representative (021) 923 838 -or- geoff@geoffbonham.co.nz on the LACK of submissions on this Bill before Parliament that affects us all in the swimmingpool industry!

Larry: "This shows once again the lack of support from the Pool Industry ( In respect of fighting the greenies and other people who hate the home swimming pool industry, but who get off their bums and say so to Government - Ed ), as Les says ... unless we get behind what he is doing, the Industry will have no-one to blame but ourselves judging from the lack of support for Les's submission! Tell the membership to send off a support of what Les is doing".

ARE YOU LISTENING?
Yes, it's a pain in the ass, but "THEY are OUT TO GET US". It's not a joke!

"THEY" are DETERMINED to adopt the Australian "Ring Fence" rules (that have been proved not to work) "They" don't want sensible and considered rules that make sense and protect young children. Home pool drownings have been decreasing over decades since FOSPA '87. While thousands mor pools have been constructed, drownings have decreased! It works! The new Building (Pools) Amendment Act 2016 works! DONT LET THEM MEDDLE WITH THINGS THAT WORK, simply because "they" dont think people should have a home swimming pool at all!

THEY HATE PEOPLE HAVING HOME SWIMMING POOLS !

HAVE YOUR SAY TODAY! IT'S IMPORTANT!

Read below .....

CLICK THIS BANNER FOR MORE

Tuesday 28 February saw us take a fast trip to Wellington to visit MBIE to discuss in detail, the Swish submission dated 16 December 2016 regarding "child resistant door-sets" and the definition of "the immediate pool area!" 

Our submission together with it's covering letter is available and downloadable from our Home page... Click the banner above...

From comments made at our meeting, it is obvious there is still significant pressure within NZ to introduce Australian home pool compliance solutions here...

 Based on research provided to the Select Committee, those policies appear to have failed in Australia... Further, the  implementation of these concepts in NZ under common FoSPA interpretation, did have a definite adverse effect on our industry...

Refer our web site pages 'Legislation,' 'Supervision' and 'Before Applying' for analysis of child drowning statistics (NZ/Australia) and the negative effects FoSPA  interpretations have had on our industry during the last 10 years...

As the new NZBC clause F9 Schedule is now expected to be published in late April, we  urge all involved in the pool industry and safety compliance process, to use the time to ensure common sense prevails...

Click on the banner above to go to Les' web page, download the submission, study it, review it and re-send the package to the MBIE at the email address provided...

Obviously, we recommend you include your own experience and comments regarding the direction of new legislation, in your covering email...

Based on our observations at Select Committee Hearings, most of the 392 submissions MBIE received about pool safety compliance legislation, did not originate from pool owners or the pool industry...

We believe, if the "pool industry" does not get involved in moderating the emotive demands we heard voiced, our industry will disappear as the idea of "owning a home pool" becomes considered, an anti-social practice in our increasingly PC society...

An exaggeration?

Maybe you should have attended the Hearings and heard the emotive rhetoric for yourself? 
Perhaps, then you would also share our concerns...

Les J Hole - Mob: 0274 77 9000 - Director: Swish Automation Ltd

Pool Manufacturers and Retailers required to supply consumer notices

From 1 September 2017, manufacturers and retailers must supply notices with pools informing consumers that the pool must have barriers that restrict access by young children.

For example, the barrier could be a 1.2m high fence surrounding the pool, or a safety cover for a small heated pool such as a spa pool or hot tub.

This notice requirement applies to pools that can be filled with water to a depth of 400mm or more.
People must apply for a building consent before installing barriers for residential pools, other than safety covers for small heated pools.

From 1 January 2017, the Building Act 2004 also requires residential pools, other than small heated pools with safety covers, to be inspected every three years to check the barriers.

The Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment carried out public consultation on proposals for these manufacturer and retailer notices in September 2016.

Read the specific requirements for these notices in the New Zealand Gazette Building (Pool Manufacturers and Retailers) Notice 2017.
Read further information on restricting access to residential pools on the Building Performance website.www.govt.nz - your guide to finding and using New Zealand government services

Letters to the Editor: NZ Herald newspaper (NZMPB Inc CEO Larry Ogden's response to the Editorial and comments re the Government "Abandoning the Pool Fencing Act - Children may die as a result" comment by the people who hate home pools) NOT PUBLISHED

"The Government has not abandoned the Pool Fencing Act (FOSPA'87) or done anything detrimental to child safety. Quite the contrary.

The Fencing of Swimming Pools Act 1987 (FOSPA'87) was well-intended and provided much needed safety net for small children around home pools back in the day, but was imperfect and open to interpretation. This caused various Territorial Authorities (Local Councils) to adopt a 'Schedule to the Act' which attempted to resolve shortcomings. Some Councils even produced their "own" interpertations and published a 'Guide' for their Inspectors and the Trade to follow: (See the Auckland Council booklet at the left)

Unfortunately, the Schedule also contained areas of "interpretation", resulting in no single set of Rules for all Councils to follow.
This confusion led to the well thought-out NZ Standard 8500:2006. The formulae produced by the Standards Committee involved volunteers from Water Safety minded organisations – including the NZ Master Pool Builders Inc.

The Government has now moved to update FOSPA'87 intentions by including pool fencing requirements in the Building Act 2004 and reference NZS 8500:2006 as the replacement to FOSPA'87 and Schedule.

Unenlightened "sensational" commentators have branded this as the Government "removing Fences from pool safety" but in fact – amongst other 'fixes' - the new Act simply changes the requirement for a literal 'Fence' to the requirement for a 'Barrier' – which obviously can still be a 'fence' but include another suitable structure  – which must meet the requirements of NZS 8500:2006.
It's just semantics, but will formally allow a building or structure with complying apertures to formallyreplace a 'fence' – as often happens now. Less confusion and improved Compliance processing should result, but the main and over-riding intent of the Government's changes is the safety and protection of our under-fives, a priority to which Members of the NZ Master Pool Builders subscribe wholeheartedly.

 

 

 

POOL FENCING AMENDMENT BILL: FINALLY!

It's finally happenned!

Over the past decade, Geoff Bonham, Neil Runciman and myself - and others including Les Hole of Swish Automated Pool Doors - attended numerous Auckland Council 'External Fencing Committee' meetings and NZS 8500 Fencing committees to formulate a better, less subject to individual interpretation, understandable Fencing Law that could be used New Zealand-wide and put a stop to the many different rules and interpretations being adopted by local Territorial Authorities.

Three years of the External Fencing Committee slogging through the old Fencing of Swimming Pools Act 1987 and reading through and incorporating the best parts of the NZ Standard 8500:2006 and other Australian related documentation produced the new document requested by PM John Key back in 2010

Now the new Pool Fencing document amending the FSPA'87 Act has finally got traction with the current Government!

Here's an email to me from Bede Clarke, The MBIE official who monitored and attended some of our meetings at Auckland Council in the years 2010 - 2013 and has been our contact in the old Ministry of Building & Housing (Now the Ministriy of Business, Innovation & Employment.
Check it out

Dear Larry,

Today, the Government announced changes to the Building (Pools) Amendment Bill. Here are links to the Bill, media statement, questions and answers, and disclosure statement.

The Bill:
http://parliament.govt.nz/en-nz/pb/legislation/bills/00DBHOH_BILL64825_1/building-pools-amendment-bill

Media statement:
http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/more-practical-swimming-pool-fencing-law-proposed

Questions and Answers, Cabinet Minute, papers and RIS
www.building.govt.nz/fospa-index

Disclosure statement:
http://disclosure.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2015/63/

We thanks you for the work the NZ Master Pool Builders has done over the years representing the views of the pool industry on proposed changes to the pool fencing legislation.

Kind regards
Bede

Just to remind you - the New Zealand swimming pool industry and its various Trade Organisations* have supported and encouraged compliant pool fencing. Just this year an innocent 19 month-old toddler's life was cut short by an unfenced home swimming pool in the provinces - "an accident waiting to happen" with no thought by the pool owners or Council of restricting access to the back-yard swimming pool. It's obvious that access to home pools should have barriers that restrict access by young children. Our work enhances the Rules that provide a satisfactory solution to this issue for both the home-owner and the Water Safe and Government people.

August 2015

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A change of direction?

After 23 years in operation, the NZMPB Inc executive is considering suggestions that we open our doors to associated swimming pool industry Individuals (such as the many Pool Shops) by ammending our public persona away from the current emphasis on a "Pool Builders" Guild.

Obviously the first thing to consider changing (or add to) is our name - the Master POOL BUILDERS Guild - or NZMPB Inc.

It is also obvious that we adopt a name that is well known in Australia as the trade association for all the people who work in associated industries that are tied into the construction of swimming pools.

(Sample at left - unauthorised at this time - Kiwi version of their Australian LOGO)

 

 

 

Here's how the Australians see things: There are two SPASA organisations runningconcurrently witheach other, one being originally the NSW and ACT SPASA Association, the second being "all the rest of Australia". SPASA Alliance was a breakaway body that objected with the constitutional obligations of the National Boby )one being the requirement of a 100% concurrance of votes on ANY subject - an almost impossible requirement which caused huge frustrations and eventually a split in the organisation. After a few years of bickering, the two have agreed to diaagree, and seem to live quite comfortably with each other now.

My personal preference would be to adopt the name change and continue our alignment with the Alliance and CEO Spiros Dassakis as being the most progressive organisation. They have Industry Training schemes (Qualifiation Authority approved) and history in dealingwith Government departments which could benefit us.

"The Swimming Pool and Spa Association of Australia is a peak industry body representing hundreds of businesses within the pool and spa industry. Members of SPASA include leading pool builders, manufacturers, suppliers, retailers, technical servicemen, subcontractors, installers, consultants and other allied trades, all of whom set themselves apart from the rest of the industry by setting standards of skill, workmanship and ethical business behaviour in the best interests of pool and spa owners".

If you have any comments, please respond to any Exec member about this propOsal

AUGUST 12 2015

AUSSIE NEWS FROM SPLASH MAGAZINE:

Dodgey Brothers fined for selling 'potty skimmer' spa pools

by  Chris Maher on August 12, 2015 in Aquatics and Commercial, Email Newsletter, Industry News, News & Features, Residential Pools and Spas

Two brothers (importing spa pools from China) have been handed down substantial fines and ordered to pay costs and compensation after selling spas with potentially deadly potty skimmers and failing to supply goods that had been paid for. Nicholas Lord and Gerasimos Lord operated an online retail store selling indoor and outdoor spas as well as saunas and outdoor furniture.

They took large deposits from consumers without delivering products and have been ordered to pay $18,000 in fines, $1,566 in costs and $45,937.30 in compensation to victims. They pleaded guilty in Parramatta Local Court to offences under the Australian Consumer Law and the Fair Trading Act.

The offences included accepting payment and not supplying goods in time and acting in contravention of an embargo notice. The brothers supplied potentially lethal spas after Fair Trading issued them with the embargo notice last year.

Victims who supported the Fair Trading prosecution came from Wagga Wagga, Gilgandra, Geraldton in Western Australia (WA), Scullin in the Australian Capital Territory (ACT), Rivett in the ACT, South Penrith and Forbes. All had placed orders for spas.

They purchased spas made in Jiangsu Province, China. The spas were shipped to Australia from the manufacturer and stored in the factory unit at Wetherill Park. They were selling or offering to sell banned spas that contained potty skimmers without a protective cover, including spas with the model numbers BG 8520 and BG 8832

A potty skimmer is a pool or spa outlet at water level used as a suction point for the water reticulation system and that resembles a child's chamber pot or other toilet device and has no protective device fixed to the skimmer box outlet. Spas (or swimming pools) that contain potty skimmers must have a protective cover on them that can only be removed by use of a tool.

A protective device is necessary to prevent a person becoming lodged or caught in the skimmer box outlet through the operation and effect of suction within or through the water reticulation system. There have been numerous incidents in Australia and overseas involving uncovered potty skimmers that have resulted in disembowelment, serious injury and death. (If you follow this link to the Medical Journal of Australia, be warned the descriptions of the incidents may be upsetting.)

2015 AGM was Saturday 8th August 2015
the Waipuna Hotel & Conference Center,
Waipuna Road, Mt WellIngton
Auckland

Members have been sent the President's Report by email

EXTREME CAUTION NEEDED WHEN HANDLING GAS FLAME APPLIANCES

LPG BOTTLE EXPLOSION INJURES AUSSIE POOL MAN

Freedom Pools Riverina owner Stuart Pollard has been hospitalised with serious injuries following a gas explosion at Kooringal.

Emergency services were called to the Plumpton Road residence in July after the explosion, which appeared to be caused by an exploding LPG gas bottle being used by him at the time.

Police, paramedics and firefighters arrived quickly and Pollard and another man were treated at the site before being taken to Wagga Base Hospital. The other man's injuries were less serious and he was released.

Stuart had serious burns to his face, hands and legs.

His brother-in-law, Byron Wooden, has set up a support page asking for donation for his Bridge to Brisbane marathon, which he will run in bandages to raise money for Pollard's medical expenses and to support the family.

"Needless to say this experience is life changing for Stuart and family," says Wooden on the goget funding website.
"Day by day he is fighting hard and we are very proud of his progress on this long road to recovery that lies ahead.

"Without going into the detail there are other family medical challenges adding to the emotional and financial strain. To say the least it has been a very long 18 months for the Pollards, and our thoughts are with them as they pull together to support Stuart.


Any support you are able to offer is greatly appreciated."

Pollard will be familiar to anyone attending the SPASA NSW & ACT Awards of Excellence, where he collected 10 awards for Freedom Pools Riverina.
We join SPLASH! in wishing him all the best for a full recovery. (News coutesey of Intermedia Australia - publishers of SPLASH Magazine)

UPDATED CONSTITUTION:
MORE AMMENDMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE:

At the most recent General Meeting, I reported to the meeting that the Constitution has been recently updated to reflect our current practises and procedures.
Please take a few minutes to read the resulting Amended Constitution and make any comments and/or suggestions. We will require a minimum of three Financial Members plus the Executive to sign the amended version which will be sent in to the appropriate government body: www.societies.govt.nz/cms/incorporated-societies.
This is important! Thank you. (Do you need to see the existing Constitution (2012 Revision) to compare the changes? )

MINUTES OF GENERAL MEETING MARCH 18th 2017

  For a PDF FILE of the Minutes of the March 2015 General Meeting;
The Current Financial Report is also available on request: by bone fide Financial Members

  To request a copy of the FInancials, click the button at left and a copy will be emailed to you:

You've probably seen this one before, but it doesn't hurt to remind our BUILDER MEMBERS what can go wrong when excavating a swimming pool!

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HOW NOT TO DELIVER A FIBREGLASS POOL!

 

 

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A GENERAL MEETING HELD March 18th 2015

 

 

CLICK IMAGE for larger view: The Minutes of the meeting will be available to you shortly, together with a Treasurer's Report for the nine months ending 31 March 2015. Click on the photo at left to make it larger. Dinner was held in the restaurant at 7:30 and most people stayed until 9:00pm. The Buffet was exceptionallygood, as several Members mentioned to me. If you weren't there, you must make a point of attending the Annual General Meeting (Venue and time to be announced).

Several Members have inquired why the Guild no longer holds annual voting to fill the Committee membership. This is because it was not working smoothly due to a number of reasons, so as a result of a unanimous vote taken at the 2013 AGM the elected Committee of volunteers was replaced with an Executive Board .

The vote approved a Motion "Put and Passed" that "following the commencement of the 2014 financial year (1 August 2013) and in accordance with the Constitution of the Society, changes in the operational procedures of the NZMPB introduced the replacement of elected committees with executive officers nominated and approved by attendees at the 2013 AGM":

Those being nominated and accepted by the 2012-2013 Elected Committee were: Carlos Morgan (nominally the Disputes Chairman), John Poole (Nominally the Treasurer), Murray Crowther (Nominally the Membership Exec) and Larry Ogden (Nominally the Diploma Course, Builders' Licensing Scheme, the Guild Web Page and any other executive matters) as Chief Executive Officer.

This move was mooted as the Guild had grown in size and finances, and in order to manage the Guild in a satisfactory and businesslike manner and eliminate the frustration of 'Red Tape' - plus removing the need for contentious sub-committee decisions needing ratification by putting Motions before the General Membership for a majority vote as was previously customary (although not required by the Constitution).

Accordingly, the Executive Committee has been making executive decisions in the best interests for the future of the Guild, and continuing investigations and situations as they arise. The recent Membership Survey and moves to make the Diploma Course a weekend event are examples of this decision.

Any Member interested in being part of the Executive and helping plan and run the future of the Guild may contact any one of the current Executive as listed on the Public Page of this web site or email directly to info@poolguild.org.nz

CHLORINE 'EXPLOSION' AT TAURANGA POOLSIDE

Loud explosions sounding like "gunshots" alerted neighbours to a pool chemical mixing accident in Tauranga south of Auckland. The Bay of Plenty Times reports that ambulance staff treated facial injuries on a 75 year old man with burns to his eyes and face when swimming pool chlorine powder reacted and started exploding in a bucket.

Cable layer Vinnie Thompson was alerted, and ran towards the source of what sounded like gunshots where a woman was on the phone calling for assistance. She said her husband was in the backyard by the swimming pool. When he reached the man, the chlorine still popping and exploding in the bucket beside him.

A neighbour who also arrived on the scene grabbed the garden hose and tried to rinse the victim's face as Vinnie moved the bucket out of harm's way then supported the man until the arrival of St John paramedics.

A Northern Fire Service communications centre spokesperson said the initial report which came from ambulance staff was that someone was working with swimming pool chemicals when the substance exploded. There are reports of burns to an occupant's face.

Advice on safe handling of pool chemicals;
NEVER MIX ANY POOL CHEMICALS TOGETHER: PARTICULARLY GRANULAR CHLORINE

• Pool Chemicals can be dangerous goods and should be handled accordingly.
• Never use the same bucket for different chemicals. Have a different bucket for each chemical.
• Always read the instructions on the packaging.
• Always add chemicals to water, not water to the chemicals.
• Chlorine dust can blow back if water is poured into the chlorine, and that can be very dangerous, potentially permanently damaging your lungs.
• Never mix chemicals and never mix liquid chlorine with dry chlorine – that has the potential to cause an explosion.

Link to another pool chemical 'accident' ==> Backyard pool chemical explosion puts six people in hospital

One old-timer pool guy I knew had an horrifice 'accident' in his 30's while driving his pool service ute while carrying on the passenger's seat a 25kg container of HTH Chlorine which had a loose lid. He was smoking a cigarette, and somehow ash from the cigarette ignited the chlorine gas in the cab. He crashed off the road, suffering terrible and painful burns to his entire left side, left arm, shoulder and neck - burns that took more than a year to recover from - and destroyed the ute in the process. He's not with us any more, but I understand he gave up smoking that day and never smoked again until he died in 2014 aged 88 years. His name was Brian Smith.

RULES REDUCTION TASK FORCE?

I am not too sure what the Government is up to with this new Department? Formed apparently with the goal of (supposedly) reducing the RED TAPE of legislation regarding the construction industry. Including the Swimming Pool Construction Industry!

It has long been my contention that a home swimming pool should be relegated as 'Minor Works' and 'Rubber Stamped' for Building Approvals. Just the Town Planning requirements should be considered.

Swimming pools never (or hardly ever) cast a shadow on the next door property, should never have been classed as 'impermeable' (obviously by someone 'in authority' who never actually considered them - like the rain that falls on the pool would have fallen on the grass it replaced, so if the pool 'overflows' - So What.) and pools included in 'ground coverage' calculations i.e. "it's a building", when it should be classed as a 'recreational area' like the 6 meter circular lawn space required on properties.

Pool design and structural calculations are required from a Professional Structural Engineer and this Engineer must be Certified as competent on the Council's list of 'approved' people.  Inclusion on the list may be conditional on the Professional Engineer's agreement with the Council's engineer's ideas on structural engineering.

So why do Council then go and have these Professional Engineer's designs & calcs checked by 'their own' Staff Engineers - many of whom are either new Kiwis, recent Graduates, or 'Old School' boys who were there when Noah put his Building Approval application in for the Ark. Why do these professional people's work 'have to be checked' - and insultingly, not apparently by their peers? There have been rumours circulating that a few professional engineers are somewhat miffed by this situation, but don't feel it's their place to say anything. So the situation continues .......

Here's an opportunity for the 'People' to have their say. click these links to read more:

Stakeholder's Letter
RRT Postcard

or go to this web site for the official Government position:
https://www.govt.nz/browse/housing-and-property/renovating-and-building/rules-reduction-submissions

POOL DROWNING: 19-MONTH OLD CHILD DIES IN UNFENCED NORTHLAND POOL

It's hard to hear new like this: for all of the years - decades, actually - the New Zealand swimming pool industry and its various Trade Organisations* have supported and encouraged compliant pool fencing, an innocent 19 month-old toddler's life is cut short by an unfenced home swimming pool in the provinces. Terribly sad for the family, but surely "an accident waiting to happen" with no thought of restricting access from the residence to the back-yard swimming pool - and not unreasonably, no responsible adult watching the child (as very easily happens, historical evidence has shown.)

My sincere condolences to the family. They patently had no cognisance of the possibility of such a tragic occurrence - but equally wouldn't the Local Council have some responsibility here as well? Aren't there any checks made on unpermitted construction sites, or is this an impossible task in such a remote and isolated rural area? More detail would be useful.

As an industry, we are constantly at risk of increasing compliance requirements pushed by the 'Water Safety' people due to incidents like this.

No doubt the cry will be for 'More Pool Fencing' and 'Ring-Fence every pool" when statistically, there have been zero drownings in FoSPA compliant swimming pools since the introduction of the Fencing of Swimming Pools Act 1987. Every unfortunate drowning event in the past 28 years since the introduction of the FoSPA Act has been in an 'unfenced or uncompliant swimming or spa pool'. Sadly, detailed statistics on 'pool drownings' are not accurately kept, so establishing 'what kind of pool - or spa pool' was involved, and 'was it fenced, faulty fence or not fenced' etc. is not able to be established. Hence the cry "RING FENCE ALL POOLS" will soon ring out. Such a Law wouldn't have helped in the above case.

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NZ Swimming Pool Association 1976 -
NZ Swimming Pool & Spa Association
NZ Spa & Pool Association Inc 
NZ Master Pool Builders Guild 1992 -
NZ Master Pool Builders Inc 2008 -

NO POOL FENCE COMPLIANCE CERTIFICATE - NO HOUSE SALE!

Following serious concerns about a shortage of certifiers and a backlog of non-compliant swimming pools, the NSW Government has delayed the requirement for pool compliance certificates by another 12 months.

This is the second time the government has delayed the deadline. The original deadline was April 29, 2014, then April 29, 2015, and now it is April 29, 2016.

The first extension was made three weeks before the deadline; this time homeowners have been given slightly more than two months notice.

See the upcoming edition 98 of SPLASH! magazinefor a story behind why this delay was necessary [but bear in mind, the story went to the printers prior to the decision actually being made].

By April 29, every sale or lease of a NSW property with a swimming pool would have had to have a certificate of compliance attached to the contract for sale or to the new lease.

The NSW Office of Local Government (OLG) estimates there are more than 18,000 properties with swimming pools rented each year, and RP Data figures show sales for properties with a pool number 9560 annually. Seasonally adjusted, combined annual numbers for sales and leases are estimated to be 27,900 state-wide.

Latest figures showed a total of 9591 certificates have been issued.This represents a significant shortfall from the potential upcoming sales and leases that would require certificates by April 29. Those sales and leases will now be able to go ahead, thanks to the 12-month reprieve.

http://www.splashmagazine.com.au/2015/02/26/pool-compliance-delayed-another-12-months/
Click this link for more on this story

February 2015

The swimming pool industry (in Auckland, at least) has certainly picked up in the past year or so, and the usual Mad Christmas Rush wasn't helped by seemingly increased RED TAPE being dished out by Council! Some of the stories I have heard are definitely cringe-worthy! Some are almost anti-competitive and anti-business, and certainly not helpful IMHO.

The Council seems determined to find more and more ways to stop the Citizens having a decent life-style and building their 'Dream Homes' without so many obstacles put in their paths.

In fact, Council Team Leaders spent quite a bit of precious processing time last year figuring out what Building Approvals they can apply to the typical Red-Neck swimming pools appearing all around Auckland suburbs this summer: See the picture at left.

Should they give it a Section 37 notice or a Parking Ticket? Does it need a fence? A Heavy Traffic License to drive it? Where's the filtration located?

And the PS4 has to become the PT4 (Parking Ticket #4) Then the tow truck boys come out if it's not paid within 7 days?

And charge $500 to return it (not including the water)? Gives a whole new meaning to CAR POOLING don't it?

Given that the Daily Newspaper listed many (quite a lot, actually) of lovely

Auckland beaches that are contaminated with nasty germs and pathogens - even the lagoon at Piha is so contaminated, only humans are silly enough to go in it (Birds, dogs, fish etc. keep away!)

it's no wonder that the Pool Business is currently booming! Waiheke bays polluted with toilet detritus leaking from septic tanks all over the Island?

That's disgusting!  No doubt it's the legacy of 70 years of Hippy Houses built by long-haired DIY'ers not bothering to get (or even being asked for)

Building Approvals or regular Sanitary checks. Our lovely Waitemata Harbour is a sewer! Incredible! And the fish have all buggered off! But at least we are getting a Train Set!

When I look back through my files over the many years of managing the business of the Pool Guild and doing this web page, the re-occurring theme is "Why are Councils so slow in issuing Pool Permits"?

I can find and reprint letters from the 1990's onwards I wrote to Council, Mayors, Politicians, and the Government Building Act people asking why a home pool costing less than a Holden car ($40,000 (these days)) needs so much red tape from the Territorial Authority. Not one single response was ever received (other than an acknowledgment of receipt of my letter). You just can't get through to anyone - anyone who CARES that is!

We will have a voice in the new proposed Auckland Council External Fencing and Policy Committee, with Geoff Bonham, Neil Runciman (and perhaps myself) representing the thoughts of the swimming pool industry and Pool Guild. But the past three years I spent on the previous External Committee forging a perfectly satisfactory replacement to the Schedule to the 1987 fencing Act (FoSPA'87) hasn't been implement as yet, and I am reliably informed, will NOT be unless it is passed into law by Mr Prime Minister John Key. Is that likely?

Swimming pool safety is always on the mind of responsible pool builders, and it is gratifying to note that 'other' drowning statistics greatly outnumbered any issues with home pools.

Matt Claridge, however, was quite rightly unimpressed with the overall problem, and urges us all to behave responsibly around water and little kids. Well done Matt! As usual, drinking and ( fill in the name here ) seem high on the list of self-destructive behavior amongst we Kiwis.

Just as a matter of interest (regarding civilian deaths - i.e. in this case 290 Road Deaths in 2014) New Zealand has an average of 7.4 people per 100,000 population die on the roads, and I have just returned home from a few weeks in France, where it is 4.9/100,000.

I drove about extensively on the French motorway system (to visit relative's WWI War Graves on the Somme in Northern France) where the motorways seem generally unmonitored by the Gendarmes and the posted limit is for the most part 130 Kph. In order to 'not get run over in the rush'

I drove at the same speed as the others - 140 Kph. The roads were wide and very smooth (driven down to Hamilton lately?) and in nearly 1,000 K's of driving there was no problems at all.

That seems to indicate that SPEED is not the problem, it's the KIWI DRIVERS! The UK, incidentally has 3.5/100,000!

Finally, those pool builders who I hear about from time-to-time that I am told are supposedly 'full of Bull' - not naming anyone in particular (but YOU know who I mean!) - here's a Bull getting even!

 

 

August 6th 2014

KIWI POOL INDUSTRY PIONEER PASSES AWAY
AGED 88

Brian ( 'BJ' ) Smith & business partner Bernie Menzies (d. circa 1980) owned and operated 'Swimming Pool Services Limited' from their northeast corner shop at Great South Road/Greenlane Road intersection in the late 1970's and early 1980's (now redeveloped into a fast food restaurant).

They specialised in servicing Public Swimming Pool filtration systems, general maintenance and pool service, and built their own 'Kiwi Ingenuity' Gunite Pump machine fitted onto the back of an old WWII GM Truck to spray some of Auckland's first Gunite concrete pools. Managing between two and four pools a year in the early days, they gradually increased numbers as home pools gained in popularity in the 1970's. Brian's wife Margaret and son and daughter Mark and Denise (? - later a manager at TRENDS magazine) assisted them in the pool business.


R.I.P Brian

 

 

 

 

ARE YOU EXPERIENCING DIFFICULTY IN GETTING PAID?
16 June 2014

Read this from Building Industry Consultant Graeme Owen.....

"So your building client has quit paying you! And you stand to lose thousands!
And the media says the construction environment is improving!

Don't they know that non-paying clients make the life of small builders exasperating – in any environment?  

I suspect every builder, who has been in business for a while, has a "bad paying client" story to tell.

A dream job to begin with – large, challenging and profitable – turns sour when your client questions every invoice item, quibbles over your margins and refuses to pay some things. 

Your overdraft is growing and you fear receivership.But it need not be like this – when you set-up your building agreements carefully.

In this article I outline three things you need to have in your building agreements and one thing you should exclude, to help make non-paying clients history.

Three Things to Include:

1. State clearly when invoices are to be paid

Check to ensure that your payment terms are clear.  Set out your invoicing arrangements and payment expectations.

If your normal process is weekly invoicing for all costs incurred in the preceding week, then make sure your agreement specifies this. Include how the invoice will be delivered and when payment is due.

For example, "Weekly invoices will be created at the end of each week (normally a Friday) and emailed by close of business. Invoices will include labour, materials and subcontractor costs incurred in the seven days up to and including the invoiced day. Payment is made by direct deposit within 3 calendar days."

2. State your right to stop work

It is your right to stop work (and remove materials) if a progress payment is not made on time.  While this is a huge interruption to your work schedule, it is much less disruptive that not being paid!

An example, "Should invoices not be paid by the due time, work on your project will halt and materials not yet paid for may be removed."

3. Include collections costs in outstanding debts

Make sure you state that if debt recovery becomes necessary, any costs incurred will be added to the outstanding payments.

One Thing to Exclude: Don't add interest payments to outstanding invoices

When you do (e.g. interest of 1.5% per month on any outstanding balance), you are indicating that is is OK for your client to use you as a source of credit, and not pay on time!

It may appear nice to get additional interest, but it will not offset the cash crisis late payment cause.

A Final Word: Be polite

In any conversation with clients it is most important that you stay in control. Do not get allow yourself to get angry. Remain respectful and calm. If you are tempted to lose your cool, email rather than phone – but read your email several times to make sure your tone is friendly.

Kind regards,  Graeme Owen
The Builders Business Coach Graeme@TheSuccessfulBuilder.com
(09) New Zealand

A short letter from Len - excuse the Pun (... and Yes ...I know she' a TALL BLACK!)
Received by email from Mayor Brown's office 25 Feb 2014 .......

SEE  - HE DOES respond to letters!
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Mr Laurence Ogden - NZMPB Inc
PO Box 17 069 Greenlane
Auckland 1546

Dear Mr Ogden
RE Unitary Plan – Swimming Pools

Thank you for your letter requesting information on the relevant sections of the Unitary Plan relating to swimming pools.
I have been advised by my planning staff that your best starting point is the definitions in the proposed Plan. These are contained in Part 4 of the Plan. The following have direct relevance to swimming pools:

Accessory buildings
Buildings used in a way that is incidental to the use of any other buildings on that site.
Includes:
•on a vacant site, a building that it is incidental to any use which may be permitted on that site. 
Excludes:
•dwellings.

Buildings
Any permanent or temporary structure.
Land
Includes:

Type of structure	Qualifying dimension or standard
Swimming pools or tanks, including retention tanks, spa pools, swirl pools, plunge pools, or hot tubs	Over 1m high. More than 25,000l capacity. Supported directly by the ground or supported not more than 1m above the ground

Recreation facility
A facility where the primary purpose is to provide for sport and recreation activities for the well-being of the community. They may be used by individuals, families, groups and teams.
Includes:
•recreation centres
•aquatic facilities, swimming pools, both indoor and outdoor
•fitness centres and gymnasiums
•indoor sports centres.

The next step is to check the activity status of swimming pools in the various zones. This will determine whether they are provided for and if a consent is required. The zones rules, including activity tables are contained in Part 3, Chapter I of the Proposed Plan. The Unitary Plan introduces distinction between land use and development.

For example in the Residential zones, where I assume the majority of your residential pools are built the following applies:

• Dwellings are a permitted activity.
• Buildings accessory to all other activities listed in this table have the same activity status as the activity itself.
• Therefore swimming pools that fall within the definition of a building would be a permitted activity as well.

There may be a gap for those swimming pools that do not fall within the definition of a building. My planning staffs are aware of this, however you may wish to make a submission to ensure that this matter is addressed through the submission process. The closing date for submissions is 28 February 2014.

The final step is to check the relevant land use and development controls to see whether these are appropriate. For example these might include the controls relating to yards, maximum impervious area and building coverage.

I trust that this information will be of assistance to you.


Yours sincerely
Len Brown
Mayor – Auckland

Sent to Mayor Brown 17 Feb 2014 ....

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AUCKLAND COUNCIL (IN)EFFECTIVNESS SURVEY AUGUST 2013
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“Participation in formal swim lessons can reduce the risk of drowning
  by 88% among children ages one to four.”

Over the last year, many in the aquatics industry have identified with the following statistic by Ruth Brenner and her colleagues in 2009 at the National Institute of Health: “Participation in formal swim lessons can reduce the risk of drowning by 88% among children ages one to four.”

It is a powerful statistic and one that resonates with most people.
However, the authors of that study also concluded that swimming lessons “should be considered as part of a complete prevention program.”

The Safer 3 Water Safety Foundation believes there is no substitute for swim lessons; however, we believe that a “dry side” education is just as significant in saving lives from drowning.

The Safer 3 provides water safety education programs to children and families through their communities and school systems as education and prevention is the most powerful tool to reduce accidental drowning.

The World Health Organization and Center of Disease Control statistics show that children aged three through seven are at the most risk of unintentional drowning and near-drowning incidents.

Presenting the Safer 3 Early Education Drowning Prevention Program (Curriculum) to young children in a formal classroom setting will lead to a significant reduction in drowning and near-drowning incidents. The curriculum is designed and written to appeal to young minds so it can be retained and recalled as in other great public health and safety campaigns.

While singing and laughing through lesson plans, children are being taught practical strategies to reduce the risks associated with water related activities. The curriculum teaches them to how to develop safer behavior around water.

While there is no substitute for swim lessons, the truth is that swim lessons are not accessible to everyone all the time they need them. For those with access to swim lessons, the Safer 3 Curriculum provides an additional out-of-water education on water related risks.

For those without access to swim lessons, the curriculum provides critical education for children and their parents. Indeed the program may be the only opportunity they have to be educated about drowning risk and water safety.

FLORIDA ATTORNEY GENERAL SUES POOL BUILDER

Knowing he was going out of business, a Florida pool builder obtained permits and dug holes in order to receive payments on projects he had no intention of finishing, according to a lawsuit filed by the Florida attorney general.

The 19-page claim is against Nationwide Pools and also accuses the company of providing fraudulent financing, nonexistent rebates and worthless warranties.

The Pompano Beach-based company has been in business since 2005, with multiple branches in Florida. The firm ceased operations in recent weeks in the wake of an investigation that alleges deception on nearly every stage of the sales and construction process. Weeks before closing, Nationwide Pools demanded progress payments from customers, with the promise that work would begin “in the next few days,” according to the lawsuit filed in Broward County Circuit Court.

Maria Liburdi considers herself lucky that Nationwide Pools never showed up to pour concrete. The 62-year-old said even what little work the company completed was insufficient and that she had to remove the rebar that Nationwide Pools had installed because it wasn’t up to par. “By the time this is done, it’ll cost us $50,000 when it should have cost $32,000,” the Port Saint Lucie resident said.

According to the lawsuit, Nationwide Pools falsely advertised “quality construction” specifications such as 8-inch-thick concrete walls and steel rebar placed every 9 inches. The company allegedly withheld from customers the second page of engineering plans, which outlined the true specifications.

In addition, Nationwide Pools also allegedly offered a $2,500 manufacturer’s rebate when no such rebate existed, falsifying serial numbers and advertising limited rebate quantities to create a sense of urgency. Salespeople then included the value of the rebate in the total price charged to customers.

Nationwide Pools also allegedly charged customers for “deductibles” or “service calls” on equipment repairs already covered under manufacturers’ warranties. These charges were not disclosed at the time of purchase, the lawsuit stated.

Eric Arnum, editor of Warranty Week, said he’s heard of similar scams in the auto industry.

But in many of those cases, the vehicle owners didn’t know they were already covered under warranties. “In cases like this, it’s worse because the poor [manufacturer’s] reputation is being dragged through the mud when they have nothing to do with it.”

Nationwide Pools also is accused of offering in-house financing, though it was not licensed to do so. The company allegedly sent pre-approval letters to customers, regardless of their incomes or credit scores.

Many customers complained that Nationwide Pools refused to rescind contracts or refund deposits if they were denied loans by any of its third-party lenders, even though they had specifically negotiated financing contingencies in their contracts, according to lawsuit.

The Office of the Attorney General began investigating Nationwide Pools in May after receiving dozens of complaints from customers who are out thousands of dollars for incomplete pools. In a deposition last month, owner Keith Stuart pleaded his Fifth Amendment right not to answer questions concerning certain business practices. Nate Taylor - Pool&Spa News

DOESN'T THIS SOUND A LITTLE TOO FAMILAR TO US HERE IN NEW ZEALAND? - Editor

        HOW ABOUT A LITTLE RAP IN YOUR LIFE?
        Click the picture of the Gal

       Turn your Speakers WAY UP!

        Sit back and have a laugh!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

UPDATE TO POOL FENCING LAWS IN THE PIPELINE!

Saftey Of Swimming Pools Act 2012 (SOSPA'12)

Several Master Pool Builder Members have been serving on the Auckland Council's External Working Committee on Pool Fencing.

Meetings with the Council Chairman Bob De Leur and council staffer Wolfgang and others including Les Hole (The sliding door closing designer) Gary Osborne of POAG (Pool Owners Action Group) Geoff Bonham (GB Pool Covers), and Watersafe's Teresa Stanley. Oh, and me.

We have been meticulously going through the Fencing of Swimming Pool Act (1987) and discussing aspects of NZS 8500 - which desribes the preferred pool fencing specifications, and although time ran out for the July 2012 deadline set for us and our Chairman summarised our opinions and submitted them befre we scrutinised 8500, the Miniser for the Department of Building & Housing (newly renamed "The Ministry of Business, Innovation & Employment" (?) has relied thanking us for our time.

Click the graphic at left for the full letter from Hon Maurice Williamson.

"The times, they are a-changing" (apologies to Bob Dylan)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Heading says it all ... How many of you agree?

People have traditionally put the poor pool builder at the bottom of the list when doing renovations or building a new house. It seemed a common occurance in the past that successful house tenders seemed to bear no relationship to the 'finished cost' - and the budget left over to do the pool always seemed to suffer!

This is a good reason for new home buyers and renovators should stick to associations such as the Master Builders - and of course pool Builder Members of the NZMPB Inc. as people can rely on a quote being "Genuine" and not a low price just to get a foot in the door, if you will excuse the pun.

Click on the graphic at left to read a recent article in the Herald newspaper, lamenting the sad state of affairs the home builder/buyer finds themselves in in modern New Zealand!

How many of you have a similar story to tell!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED THIS PROBLEM YET?

"unable to lodge a swimming pool Building Consent"!
 ... read this letter to Auckland Council's Bob DeLeur

Thursday, 1 March 2012

 Mr Bob De Leur
Manager, Building Policy

Hi Bob,

SPECIALIST LICENSING CLASSES

Building Approval refused.

A Master Pool Builder Member has contacted me about him being unable to lodge a swimming pool Building Consent Application in an Auckland Council branch office as he has been told by them that as he does not have a Licensed Building Practitioner qualificationhe is unable to comply with the March 1st introduction of the Specialist Licensing Class of the Licensed Building Practitioner scheme as introduced by the Government so they cannot accept his application
.   

You may recall that I have gone into this with the Dept of Building & Housing in Wellington last year, and they have assured me that the Govt has no plans to include the construction of swimming pools in their Specialist Licensing Classes at any time in the near future, as indicated by Craig Hill in the attached letter.

Craig did, however, indicate that the Govt would look with favour on any effort made by the NZMPB Inc in this area, and accordingly we have instituted a program of Licensing for our Builder Members which is now open to all Builder Members who wish to take it up.

The first of our three-year renewable Licenses issued will expire in 2014, hence the licence number includes the Member’s number and expiry date (i.e. as in my case License #108/2014)  

So far we have a small number of Builder Members who have taken this up, and the comment from Craig Hill to go through the process with you at Auckland Council with a view to speeding up processing of Building Approvals for Master Pool Builder Members is appreciated. We have had several discussions about this in the past year or so, but now March 1^st 2012 has arrived, it’s probably appropriate to revisit the issues.

This page in the NZMPB web site could be of interest to you:

http://poolguild.org.nz/CBL.html

Is it possible for you to have the Council issue an Edict to the various Branch Offices so that the Council staff have an understanding of Auckland Council policy for residential swimming pool builders (and in particular Builder Members of the NZ Master Pool Builders Inc) who apply for a Building Approval  - and how under the Government Act “The Building (Definition of Restricted Work) Order Act 2011” the LBP requirement does NOT include home swimming pool construction?

Thanks, and kind regards,

LE (Larry) Ogden - Dip Pool Tech (NZMPB Hon), Certified Builder’s License #108/2014

President

 

RESPONSE FROM Bob De Leur:

Mr Bob De Leur
Manager, Building Policy
AUCKLAND COUNCIL  Bob DeLeur [Bob.DeLeur@aucklandcouncil.govt.nz]

Hi Larry

Obviously some un-informed (Council Employee) person.

Pools are not restricted building work.
However was the application included with an application for the dwelling perhaps? 

 Regards Bob

IF YOU ARE CHALLENGED ON-SITE BY AN AUCKLAND COUNCIL INSPECTOR ASKING FOR
YOUR BUILDING PRACTITIONER'S LICENSE, REFER THEM TO BOB DE LEUR!

 

NEW 2012 CONTRACT LAW?

Under the new bill before Parliament, ANY* building jobs over $20,000 will require a written contract. Photo / Thinkstock

* ANY BUILDING JOB OVER $20,000!?!

'Cowboys' in the construction industry are being targeted by a bill that will introduce fines of up to $200,000 for jobs done without the proper paperwork.

The Government is aiming to make building contractors more accountable for their work by making companies or individuals provide upfront evidence of their skills and track record, and insisting that they fix any faults quickly and efficiently with no questions asked. 

The changes would also affect do-it-yourself renovators.

The Building Amendment Bill (No 4) is part of a review of the Building Act prompted by the $22 billion leaky building crisis. It passed its first reading in Parliament on Tuesday, but several MPs expressed concern that the amendments left the building industry to police itself.

At the bill's first reading Building and Construction Minister Maurice Williamson said the proposals gave consumers more protection when building or renovating their homes.

If it was brought into law, builders would have to provide a comprehensive document that informed a client about the people who would be doing the work, the company's profile, and proof that it could cover the costs of fixing any faults.  If a builder made an error, the principal contractor would have to fix it within a year.

Mr Williamson said: "The 12-month period is intended to be a 'no questions asked' requirement for the building contractor to stand behind the quality of their work, similar to how faulty goods can be repaired if they are not fit for purpose.

"We can do it for colour TVs, we can do it for our new motor cars, so we should be able to for new buildings."

Contractors doing more than $20,000 of work would have to sign a document with the homeowner, and the maximum penalty for doing work without consent would be doubled to $200,000.

The amendments to the Building Act would also give more power to councils to deal with non-dangerous buildings that were near or adjacent to dangerous structures. 

The amendment was influenced by experiences during the Christchurch earthquakes, and would allow councils to prevent people from entering buildings close to dangerous structures.

The amendments have been supported by National, Act, the Maori Party, Labour and Greens but New Zealand First MP Andrew Williams opposed it at the first reading because he felt it reduced the role of local government and left the industry to police itself.

"If there are unscrupulous people handling that, and builders who can create companies and close them down as quick as anything, we could end up with the same situation as leaky homes, where no one can find the person responsible," Mr Williams told the Herald.  Labour and Greens also expressed concern that some of the new rules amounted to deregulation. 

Labour housing and construction spokesman Phil Twyford said the Government also needed to address some wider issues including the under-investment in building apprenticeships.

CHANGES

* Any building jobs over $20,000 will require a written contract.
* Contractors have to provide disclosure statements on their qualifications, track record, skills and licence status.
* Principal building contractors must fix defects within 12 months.
* Maximum penalty for building consents raised to $200,000.
* New powers for local authorities to deal with non-dangerous buildings close to dangerous buildings.

LETTER FROM THE Dept Building & Housing

Builder's Licensing is a somewhat difficult subject to work through, and getting exact information is elusive at times!
A recent meeting in Wellington with Craig Hill - Manager of Operational Policy and Regulatory Services (click on graphic at left) is both explanatory and yet confusing at the same time. Mr Hill was a perfect gentleman, and was a pleasure to meet with - (esp. compared top some Territorial Authorities I have met in the past), but of course he is limited to official policy - as noted in the first of his bullet points - but in the second paragraph he hits the target 100% by agreeing exactly with out aspirations to reduce the RED TAPE in getting Building Approvals in reasonable time spans.

I suggest we "read between the lines" and take special notice of his penultimate paragraph, and I strongly suggest that this is the path we must follow!

 

 

 

 

 

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED - ARE YOU GOINGTO ACT?

A Builder Members was delivered his Bricks today!

A Concrete pool Builder Member was delivered a pallet of block has was intending to use to build a small retaining wall as part of his contract to build a swimming pool for his customer. The pallet was sealed in a plastic wrapper with THE DANGER SIGN attached. CLICK on the graphic (left) to read what it says!

 

 

 

THE SHAKEY ISLES, ALL RIGHT!

Check out this incredible map of New Zealand which shows more than 12,950 earthquakes logged since 3 September 2010! The graphic was produced in March 2011.

Click the map at left for a larger view of the incredible number of tremors we experience in New Zealand!

Fortunately most are too small to rate a mention, but the overlaying of red dots on a map of New Zealand gives a clear insight into the regions where the Pacific Plate meets the Australian Plate. It's in continual motion, and in time will change the geography of our country

Look like anywhere north of the Waikato is the place to be! And it's only a matter of time before Wellington will "do a Christchurch" on us.

Are we prepared to stump up another fortune in repairs?

 

 

AUCKLAND COUNCIL

Auckland Council have released their Code of Practice Version 3 as a Guide for the acceptable implementation of swimming pool fencing in order for your customers to be given a Code of Compliance.

You might want to read the document, so you are informed of what the Council is proposing, and give us any feedback you may have, as we have been invited to their next meeting in Auckland on 29th July.

Click Here for the report

 

 

 

DEPT OF HOUSING & BUILDING HAVE RESPONDED
Common sense Prevails!

16 June 2011
Department of Building and Housing
Te Tari Kaupapa Whare

Dear Larry
Your query about making existing swimming pool fences non-climbable

Thank you for your letter of 21 May 2011 in regard to your assertion that Auckland Council (the Council) will no longer allow 45o timber fillets to-be used to.modify existing boundary fences to a swimming pool area in order to make them non-climbable to young children.

The Department of Building and Housing (the Department) understands that the Council has recently accepted a code of practice for swimming pool fencing (in which the Department had some input) and it is currently in the process of implementing it. But at this stage, the code of practice has not yet documented specific details, such as the minimum angle of timber fillets that will be acceptable when modifying boundary fences.

However, the Council has informally advised the Department that it intends to adopt 60o timber fillets for all new fence modifications, so as to align with Figure 3 of F4/AS1 (Safety from Failing) and Figure 2.4 of AS 1926.1-2007 (Fencing for Swimming Pools).

In regard to existing fence modifications (with 45o timber fillets), the Council has indicated that these fillets can remain if they are in good condition. However any deteriorated 45o timber fillets will be required to be replaced with 60o fillets: These existing modifications will be assessed by the Council on a case-by-case basis.

We suggest that it is not appropriate and premature at this time, for you to seek a determination by the Department as your scenario has not yet occurred for a specific project. I hope this letter is of assistance to you.

Yours sincerely

Steve Garner
Acting Manager, Consent Authority Capability and Performance Group

 

 

US NEWS
HUGE MAIN DRAIN COVER RECALL UPSETS POOL INDUSTRYIn a a surprising reversal, the Consumer Product Safety Commission has recalled perhaps as many as one million previously approved Main Drain covers. The move came after questions were raised about the testing methods used in the original approval process.

The enormity of the recall effort was not lost on Scott Wolfson, CPSC public affairs director, in his announcement. "We know this is a very difficult message to share with the public as we roll into Memorial Day weekend, but better to address this now than in the middle of the swim season when a child was hurt on one of these recalled drains"

Essentially, the issue came down to flow rate through the covers. The CPSC said in a statement that the recalled drain covers "were incorrectly rated to handle the flow of water through the cover, which could pose a possible entrapment hazard to swimmers and bathers"

This means that a large number of drain covers which were installed during the VGB compliance period will have to be replaced, which is likely to produce a great deal of work for the same pool companies that installed these drain covers the first time around. The source of funding for the labor costs to switch the drain covers is not yet clear.

The following eight manufacturers were named in the CPSC announcement as part of the recall: A&A Manufacturing, AquaStar Pool Products, Color Match Pool Fittings, Custom Molded Products, Hayward Pool Products, Pentair Water Pool and Spa, Rising Dragon Plastics and Waterway Plastics.

LOCAL NOTE:
Our Builder Members must be aware of entrapment issues and follow New Zealand Standards guidelines such as NZS4441:2008 and NZS8500:2006 [JUMP TO THERE] in respect of including multiple suction points (instread of just one) within the distances prescribed between them to avoid suction entrapment. At t his point in time, the need to firmly affix the covers with screws is not required, as it is in the USA for underwater suction points as well as Skimmer lids.

March 24th 2011

FIRST NEW GRADUATE:
2010 DIPLOMA in POOL TECHNOLOGY

PAUL FULLER Dip Pool Tech (Hons)

Builder Member Paul Fuller has become the first to successfully complete the Diploma of Pool Technology 2010 Course with an HONORS Pass, scoring an A+ pass with more than 95% mark and in accordance with the newly adopted Licensing Committee's rulings has been issued with the Guild's first CERTIFIED BUILDER'S LICENSE.

 

 

Members who may be affected by theneed to provide their Local Council with a Builder's License might be interested in joining our scheme to provide you with Trade Qualifications based on your experience in building swimming pools for at least five years. If you enroll in the Diploma Course 2010 and pass with at least a B qualification, and are a Master Pool Builders Member of this association, we will issue with a Certified Builder's License which will be renewable every three years following an updated assessment that assures us that you are keeping up-to-date with your industry skills.

Click the link to the Online Diploma Course (on the MENU at the top) for more information on the course.   

OPEN LETTER TO THE POOL TRADE

Since the formation of the new "Super City" pool compliance requirements in the Auckland region can be described at best, as an unmitigated disaster...

Our clients (pool owners and prospective pool owners) have received multiple letters from the Auckland Council, most of containing contradictory advice , in regard to pool compliance for owners of both new and/or existing, residential swimming pools... 

This challenge has been discussed with Auckland Council representatives at earlier Watersafe Forum's in December and January however, because of the apparent lack of interest shown by associated industries (as shown by attendees) those of us who are regulars at the meetings are finding their comments requesting sanity to prevail, are being largely ignored...

 All involved in providing product and services to the home pool market need to get involved otherwise, we might not have any market left to supply... Think this is an exaggeration?

Then you need to talk to your clients, the pool owners, because all the council has to do is make it too hard or difficult for them to own or buy a pool... (As is reportedly happening in Queensland, Australia)

Regards - Les J Hole, Director

Swish Automation Ltd
0800 2Swish / 0800 279 474Mob: 0274 77 9000 
Ph: +64 9 577 5819 Email: leshole@swishautomation.com

CERTIFIED BUILDER'S LICENCE PROGRAM

Builder's Licensing for the construction industry
was fully implemented in 2011

Due to the various trade skills requred by residential swimming pool builders, it is impractical for us to sit the ten trade licences offered by the Government

- you simply wouldn't have time to build pools and satisfy the government's requirements too - especially  the annual upskill requirements!

 

The NZMPB Inc has developed a system to issue its own Certified Builder's License - one that recognises the trade skills required to build swimming pools. All of our Builder Members are half-way there!

 

The requirements you met to be admitted to membership as a Builder Member means you already have Accepted Levels of Prior Experience (ALPE) which has been approved by the Australian Government in lieu of professional qualifications.

 

There is every indication that the NZ Government will follow the Australian rules, so it's up to you to participate in our licensing program if you hope to be building pools in 2011 and beyond! Click the image (left) or the link on the MAIN MENU.

 

 

 

 

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